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I'm sure this sounded clever when you wrote it, but can you actually explain it? Are you really just trying to say "curious, you want diversity, yet you don't w

by Timon3 3y ago

I'm sure this sounded clever when you wrote it, but can you actually explain it? Are you really just trying to say "curious, you want diversity, yet you don't want people to be poor"?

goodluckchuck 3y ago
It’s so intuitive to me that it’s hard to explain why economic diversity is a sign of a healthy economic system. The best I can do is give examples. I’ve been to Disney World, and it was very fun and nice, and there were no homeless people asking me for money, and it was clean, and the windows weren’t broken… but it was also obvious that it wasn’t a healthy economy. I was paying an unsustainable price for that, those who couldn’t afford it were excluded, etc. I’ve also been to somewhere in south america and (where I was) it was largely the opposite. There were people aggressively selling / begging, everything was dirty, buildings were in disrepair. This also wasn’t healthy. Everyone I saw was poor. That wasn’t diverse either. Parts of Europe were largely a toned-down Disney World. There were nice areas with a fair degree of economic diversity and an absence of the very worst poverty… but then there were places I was cautioned to not go, places were the symptoms of an unhealthy economy existed and were hidden from public view. It was still fairly healthy. There was a lot of diversity. I saw a couple supercars, a bunch of neat European beaters, and a fair number of cars that I’d say were fairly average in the US but were clearly fairly to do. Meanwhile theres virtually nowhere in the US that I cannot freely go in relative safety. I routinely see people from every walk of life… and the US is the strongest economy in the world. Eliminating the diversity may be good for some people individually, but it’d hurt the whole. Of course I’m not saying that it can’t be too extreme, but people pursing an utter absence of poverty or utter absence of extreme wealth don’t know what they’re talking about. Economic diversity helps. It means there are people with means, others with motivation, others with a mixture, etc. It creates a economic system where systemic needs are most likely to meet a person who can recognize and fulfill the role.
- Timon3 3y ago
  > The best I can do is give examples. I’ve been to Disney World, and it was very fun and nice, and there were no homeless people asking me for money, and it was clean, and the windows weren’t broken… but it was also obvious that it wasn’t a healthy economy. I was paying an unsustainable price for that, those who couldn’t afford it were excluded, etc. I'm sorry, but in what way is Disney World an economy? You know that it's a fake place run by a single corporate entity, right? > I’ve also been to somewhere in south america and (where I was) it was largely the opposite. There were people aggressively selling / begging, everything was dirty, buildings were in disrepair. This also wasn’t healthy. Everyone I saw was poor. That wasn’t diverse either. Why do you think any of this is due to missing "economic diversity" instead of simply missing money due to geopolitical and historical reasons? > Parts of Europe were largely a toned-down Disney World. There were nice areas with a fair degree of economic diversity and an absence of the very worst poverty… but then there were places I was cautioned to not go, places were the symptoms of an unhealthy economy existed and were hidden from public view. It was still fairly healthy. There was a lot of diversity. I saw a couple supercars, a bunch of neat European beaters, and a fair number of cars that I’d say were fairly average in the US but were clearly fairly to do. And Europe is on average much safer than the US is, people are happier, fewer people die of preventable reasons. Seems like they are doing something right? > Meanwhile theres virtually nowhere in the US that I cannot freely go in relative safety. I routinely see people from every walk of life… and the US is the strongest economy in the world. Well, except literally all of the US. > Eliminating the diversity may be good for some people individually, but it’d hurt the whole. Of course I’m not saying that it can’t be too extreme, but people pursing an utter absence of poverty or utter absence of extreme wealth don’t know what they’re talking about. You haven't shown that ANY of what you wrote is due to missing "economic diversity". You've compared a bunch of places that have very different economic histories, and you just decide that all the differences are due to "economic diversity". > Economic diversity helps. It means there are people with means, others with motivation, others with a mixture, etc. It creates a economic system where systemic needs are most likely to meet a person who can recognize and fulfill the role. And now please explain how and why economic diversity helps. Why is it good if there are poor people? Why do you like it better when there are people dying of preventable reasons due to their economic status (US) compared to places where this doesn't happen (EU)?

by Timon3 3y ago

I'm sure this sounded clever when you wrote it, but can you actually explain it? Are you really just trying to say "curious, you want diversity, yet you don't want people to be poor"?

goodluckchuck 3y ago

It’s so intuitive to me that it’s hard to explain why economic diversity is a sign of a healthy economic system. The best I can do is give examples. I’ve been to Disney World, and it was very fun and nice, and there were no homeless people asking me for money, and it was clean, and the windows weren’t broken… but it was also obvious that it wasn’t a healthy economy. I was paying an unsustainable price for that, those who couldn’t afford it were excluded, etc. I’ve also been to somewhere in south america and (where I was) it was largely the opposite. There were people aggressively selling / begging, everything was dirty, buildings were in disrepair. This also wasn’t healthy. Everyone I saw was poor. That wasn’t diverse either. Parts of Europe were largely a toned-down Disney World. There were nice areas with a fair degree of economic diversity and an absence of the very worst poverty… but then there were places I was cautioned to not go, places were the symptoms of an unhealthy economy existed and were hidden from public view. It was still fairly healthy. There was a lot of diversity. I saw a couple supercars, a bunch of neat European beaters, and a fair number of cars that I’d say were fairly average in the US but were clearly fairly to do. Meanwhile theres virtually nowhere in the US that I cannot freely go in relative safety. I routinely see people from every walk of life… and the US is the strongest economy in the world. Eliminating the diversity may be good for some people individually, but it’d hurt the whole. Of course I’m not saying that it can’t be too extreme, but people pursing an utter absence of poverty or utter absence of extreme wealth don’t know what they’re talking about. Economic diversity helps. It means there are people with means, others with motivation, others with a mixture, etc. It creates a economic system where systemic needs are most likely to meet a person who can recognize and fulfill the role.

Timon3 3y ago
> The best I can do is give examples. I’ve been to Disney World, and it was very fun and nice, and there were no homeless people asking me for money, and it was clean, and the windows weren’t broken… but it was also obvious that it wasn’t a healthy economy. I was paying an unsustainable price for that, those who couldn’t afford it were excluded, etc. I'm sorry, but in what way is Disney World an economy? You know that it's a fake place run by a single corporate entity, right? > I’ve also been to somewhere in south america and (where I was) it was largely the opposite. There were people aggressively selling / begging, everything was dirty, buildings were in disrepair. This also wasn’t healthy. Everyone I saw was poor. That wasn’t diverse either. Why do you think any of this is due to missing "economic diversity" instead of simply missing money due to geopolitical and historical reasons? > Parts of Europe were largely a toned-down Disney World. There were nice areas with a fair degree of economic diversity and an absence of the very worst poverty… but then there were places I was cautioned to not go, places were the symptoms of an unhealthy economy existed and were hidden from public view. It was still fairly healthy. There was a lot of diversity. I saw a couple supercars, a bunch of neat European beaters, and a fair number of cars that I’d say were fairly average in the US but were clearly fairly to do. And Europe is on average much safer than the US is, people are happier, fewer people die of preventable reasons. Seems like they are doing something right? > Meanwhile theres virtually nowhere in the US that I cannot freely go in relative safety. I routinely see people from every walk of life… and the US is the strongest economy in the world. Well, except literally all of the US. > Eliminating the diversity may be good for some people individually, but it’d hurt the whole. Of course I’m not saying that it can’t be too extreme, but people pursing an utter absence of poverty or utter absence of extreme wealth don’t know what they’re talking about. You haven't shown that ANY of what you wrote is due to missing "economic diversity". You've compared a bunch of places that have very different economic histories, and you just decide that all the differences are due to "economic diversity". > Economic diversity helps. It means there are people with means, others with motivation, others with a mixture, etc. It creates a economic system where systemic needs are most likely to meet a person who can recognize and fulfill the role. And now please explain how and why economic diversity helps. Why is it good if there are poor people? Why do you like it better when there are people dying of preventable reasons due to their economic status (US) compared to places where this doesn't happen (EU)?