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You can cut plants and fuse them just like that?
by veave 3y ago
You can cut plants and fuse them just like that?
- hellcow 3y agoYes, it’s called grafting. My neighbor had a single tree which grew oranges, lemons, and limes using this.
- ipaddr 3y agoI have one with three different types of pears
- jrm4 3y agoAnd isn't it also the deal that most of our citrus fruits are just weirdo combos of like 4 citrus primitives or something?
- retrac 3y agoBrassica are the same way. Turnips, cabbage, bok choi, cauliflower, mustard, rapeseed, Brussel sprouts, kale, etc. Effectively all the same species -- hybrids or cultivars of a few wild ancestors that hybridize easily.
- lproven 3y agoYup. Wikipedia has some good visualisations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_taxonomy#Hybrids https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_taxonomy#Hybrids
- lbourdages 3y agoIt doesn't work in all cases but potatoes and tomatoes are closely related (potato fruits exist and are very poisonous, they look like cherry tomatoes). Orchards typically graft branches of the desired apple variety onto rootstock of an apple tree that has the size characteristics they want - typically, smaller trees as they can fit more per hectare and i's easier to pick if the branches don't grow as tall.
- lproven 3y agoThe potato, the tomato and the aubergine (eggplant) are all genus Solanum. They are close relatives. The genus is related to the European nightshade family, colloquially known as "deadly nightshade" with good reason. When tomatos were first brought to Europe from the Americas, they were used purely decoratively as everyone believe they would be toxic as they were clearly similar to the highly poisonous nightshades. One of the only uses of nightshade was for an extract to paralyse the muscles of the iris, leading to very dilated pupils and big dark eyes, considered a sign of beauty in women. Thus the Latin name: "belladonna" -- literally, "bella" (beautiful) "donna" (lady).
- adrian_b 3y agoYes, grafting, i.e. this method of plant propagation, is useful either for plants for which simpler cloning methods do not work or for providing various useful properties, like resistance to certain plant diseases. Grafting has probably been invented somewhere closer to Central Asia around four to five thousand years ago and then it has spread through Western Asia and through Europe, about at the same time with the spread of the domesticated horses and with the spread of the Indo-European languages. Before the invention of grafting, there were only a little more than a handful of cultivated species of fruit trees, i.e. mostly those which produce clones naturally (e.g. grape vines, olive trees, fig trees, date palms and a few others). By using grafting, a large number of additional fruit trees could be cultivated, starting with apples and pears. The reason why grafting is necessary is that in most cases the trees grown from the seeds produced by a tree with big and sweet fruits may have small and sour fruits. To preserve the properties of the original tree, it must be cloned. By using grafting on an appropriate rootstock any tree can be cloned.
- uptime 3y ago> The reason why grafting is necessary is that in most cases the trees grown from the seeds produced by a tree with big and sweet fruits may have small and sour fruits. This. Any apples grown for consumption are from grafts. Apple trees grown from seed are wild or experimental to try to find a new graft, or to be the graft base. I was amazed when I heard that planting a Honeycrisp seed would not get you more Honeycrisps in your yard. Cloning only!
- ratmice 3y agoI've read a similar thing about pink dogwood, where growing a seedling from it will only have a small chance of being another pink dogwood, more likely than not producing a white one. Because of that they are typically cloned.
- roughly 3y agoA follow-on fun fact is that the American legend of Johnny Appleseed makes no sense in this light if you assume the apples were for eating. They’re fine for making Applejack, though.
- sandworm101 3y agoPlant immune systems are not like those of animals. You can often just slap parts together and they will meld. This likely evolved from plants literally growing on top of each other, such as a small plant growing on top of a log. Neither plant would do well if an immune reaction was initiated every time two root systems met.
- ImprovedSilence 3y agoYeah, and I think it’s the only way to get any kind of apple tree.
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- michaelbuckbee 3y agoMy grandparents had an apple tree that had ~6 different varieties of apples growing off of it from all the grafts that they'd done to it, was neat to see as a kid.
- lostlogin 3y agoSome people go a bit crazy, here is a man who has grafted 250ish varieties. Sorry about the Daily Mail link. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2437247/amp/250-varieties-apple-tree--thanks-bit-hard-grafting-years.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2437247/amp/250-var...
- TradingPlaces 3y agoYes, in fact most roses and fruit trees are grafted onto different root stock. Most citrus is on sour orange stock. https://citrusrootstocks.org/rootstock-cultivars/ https://citrusrootstocks.org/rootstock-cultivars/ In the case of roses, this is the hideous Dr Huey variety, which will often try and take over the grafted rose https://www.rosenotes.com/2012/03/dr-huey-you-sucker-you.html https://www.rosenotes.com/2012/03/dr-huey-you-sucker-you.htm...
- goldenkey 3y agoWhy is the Dr Huey hideous, other than it being misused by humans in odd grafting procedures?
- TradingPlaces 3y agoJust a personal opinion, and one shared by many. The cultivar was bred by a dentist named Huey not for looks or scent like most roses, but for the rootstock. It tends to grow long unorganized canes very prone to disease, and the flowers are small with few petals. We have 32 rose bushes, and every spring I have to watch out for Dr Huey taking over.
- goldenkey 3y agoThank you, that makes sense. Are there animal/eukaryotic versions of the Dr Huey (GMO invaders?)
- TradingPlaces 3y agoI don’t understand the question
- goldenkey 3y agoIs there a bacteria/animal/fungi equivalent of rootstock that selective breeding has used? I know we study some long lived germlines of E. coli for example. And how about mushroom farms?
- trolan 3y agoFun fact: all over the world vineyards use an American variant of grapes for their rootstock and graft their preferred European/Peruvian/etc grapes on top. This makes them more disease resistant and in some cases means the cultivar of European grapes can survive at all after disease had almost wiped them out. All your citrus and apples from the store are like this, and why they don't grow true to seed. The seeds are open pollinated by whatever is around but the fruit was from a single plant hand selected dozens or more years ago and produces that exact fruit over and over again. It would take hundreds of years to 'stabilize' those traits in the seeds and in that time, you'd probably find another great variety and keep that around to graft to other plants.
- galangalalgol 3y agoI read a, possibly mythical, story about a group that surreptitiously grafted various fruit branches onto the shade trees lining some streets in a major city. Several years later the mess on the sidewalk caused the city to cut them off.
- malfist 3y agoGrafting generally only works within families. I.e. you can't graft a chestnut onto an apple tree. I doubt many (if any) shade trees would support a fruit. That said, families can be surprisingly large. Most citrus all come from the same four parent plants and you can mix most of them. Apples and plums are also closely related
- fortran77 3y agoYes. But if you follow the laws of the Torah, you may run into some issues: https://en.toraland.org.il/beit-midrash/halachic-guides/mitzvot-of-the-land/kilei-ilan-grafting-a-review/ https://en.toraland.org.il/beit-midrash/halachic-guides/mitz... For complicated reasons, this is only strictly checked for grapes and for etrogim AFAIK.
- lostlogin 3y agoEating fruit as a strict Jew must be quite difficult. > But if you follow the laws of the Torah, you may run into some issues I can can only imagine how difficult it must get if fruit trees get rules like these.
- adrian_b 3y agoThe funny thing is that some combinations of scion and rootstock are permitted only if grafting and planting are performed by a non-Jew.
- lostlogin 3y agoYou can do it yourself and it’s fascinating. I have a black doris plum which seems to refuse all grafts, but my apple tree probably has 10ish varieties growing off it. Most are only able support one apple, but the older grafts should be able to take several this coming season. I am no expert but all you need is some grafting secateurs, some grafting tape and some twigs from a related tree (same genus). For example, apple or pear will go on the same tree, citrus won’t. You make sure the grafted twig is about the same size the twig it’s attaching to, bind it up with tape and leave it. The bark grows across cut and strengthens with time. There are loads of YouTube and website guides, here is one. https://minnetonkaorchards.com/how-to-graft-an-apple-tree/#:~:text=Bark%20grafting%20is%20one%20of,scion%20together%20to%20secure%20them https://minnetonkaorchards.com/how-to-graft-an-apple-tree/#:....
- tudorw 3y agoI take your 10 and raise ;) "A horticulturist has managed to nurture a single apple tree which bears 250 different varieties of the fruit." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-24348394 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-24348394
- Xorakios 3y agoHow is your life, or anyone's life, made better, by shading someone from doing some interesting and awesome? Shading something you can quote, that you didn't contribute to, with different numbers makes you happier? Science shouldn't be just a game, and all progress is welcome.
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- tudorw 3y agoIt certainly wasn't intended to shade, I posted with the intent to show someone who obviously has an interest in something, something that might be of interest. Please check my comments, criticise yes, fairly juvenile sense of humour, check, shade, I hope not!
- barathr 3y agoEvery single fruit you eat that has a name (e.g. "Fuji" apple or "Hass" avocado) has been grafted, and is a clone of the original plant, grafted on a rootstock that may have other ideal properties.
- pvaldes 3y agoYep, is called grafting. It does not survive unless both plants are closely related