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> Does that seem fair? No, though it is not about fairness. Your slave owner takes part of the fruits of your labor. Why do you allow that?

dTal 3y ago
It is entirely about fairness. We live in a society. Tax is necessary to maintain that society. Everyone needs to pitch in. If you want "rights", that comes with "responsibilities" - they invariably pair.
- landemva 3y ago
  Responsibilty to maintain road and sewer, for example, are funded by use tax and sales tax. Those who use it are paying to maintain it. Income tax pays for ... ridiculous things like endless wars and spying on American income tax payers.
  - didibus 3y ago
    > Income tax pays for ... ridiculous things like endless wars and spying on American income tax payers 12% of federal budget went to national defense. Most of it went towards Health Insurance, Social Security, and Welfare programs.
    - landemva 3y ago
      Federal budget includes deficit spending. Did trustfundians pay income tax? How does the son of George Soros, who does not need income, pay income tax? The children of ultra rich are not tax slaves. They escaped.
      - parineum 3y ago
        How do you think those kids acquire money? I guarantee you it's a in a form the government classifies as income.
      - didibus 3y ago
        Yes, a small percentage went to paying interest on loans, and some of the money spent was borrowed. And the majority of spending from income tax still went to the things I mentioned prior. I'm not sure I'm following what you're implying.
nxx788 3y ago
Are you talking about the idea that taxes are theft, (which I didn't disagree with more) or the idea that wage labor is theft because your employer sells the products for more than they pay you to produce them (which is absolutely theft, imo)?
- landemva 3y ago
  Sales tax and use tax pay for what we consume. Those and a few others, such as import duties, are reasonable.
  - wak90 3y ago
    Normally, I'd just flame you for this. There's a baseline level of consumption required to survive. Meaning everyone eats, rents, drives to work, buys an entertainment system. Paying for what you consume is a regressive way of generating tax revenue as the tax is raised from the poor masses. Progressive taxation exists because people with more income have more disposable income. When you tax a poor working single mother of three and she must choose between buying food or paying tax, you will get riots eventually. When you tax a millionaire who's choice is buying a sports car or paying tax, riots don't usually happen.

dTal 3y ago

It is entirely about fairness. We live in a society. Tax is necessary to maintain that society. Everyone needs to pitch in. If you want "rights", that comes with "responsibilities" - they invariably pair.

landemva 3y ago
Responsibilty to maintain road and sewer, for example, are funded by use tax and sales tax. Those who use it are paying to maintain it. Income tax pays for ... ridiculous things like endless wars and spying on American income tax payers.
- didibus 3y ago
  > Income tax pays for ... ridiculous things like endless wars and spying on American income tax payers 12% of federal budget went to national defense. Most of it went towards Health Insurance, Social Security, and Welfare programs.
  - landemva 3y ago
    Federal budget includes deficit spending. Did trustfundians pay income tax? How does the son of George Soros, who does not need income, pay income tax? The children of ultra rich are not tax slaves. They escaped.
    - parineum 3y ago
      How do you think those kids acquire money? I guarantee you it's a in a form the government classifies as income.
    - didibus 3y ago
      Yes, a small percentage went to paying interest on loans, and some of the money spent was borrowed. And the majority of spending from income tax still went to the things I mentioned prior. I'm not sure I'm following what you're implying.

nxx788 3y ago

Are you talking about the idea that taxes are theft, (which I didn't disagree with more) or the idea that wage labor is theft because your employer sells the products for more than they pay you to produce them (which is absolutely theft, imo)?

landemva 3y ago
Sales tax and use tax pay for what we consume. Those and a few others, such as import duties, are reasonable.
- wak90 3y ago
  Normally, I'd just flame you for this. There's a baseline level of consumption required to survive. Meaning everyone eats, rents, drives to work, buys an entertainment system. Paying for what you consume is a regressive way of generating tax revenue as the tax is raised from the poor masses. Progressive taxation exists because people with more income have more disposable income. When you tax a poor working single mother of three and she must choose between buying food or paying tax, you will get riots eventually. When you tax a millionaire who's choice is buying a sports car or paying tax, riots don't usually happen.