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Simpson Fan Grows Tomacco (2003)
- Simulacra 3y agoThis is from 2003. Might want to add (2003) to the headline.
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- mosselman 3y agoDid it ever turn out to contain nicotine?
- lo_zamoyski 3y agoTomato plants already contain nicotine, though in small amounts. Both belong to the nightshade family, and I believe all nightshades produce nicotine.
- mathgeek 3y agoI find a source useful for claims like these, so here you go: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199308053290619 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199308053290619
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- sdrothrock 3y agoI was curious about what happened since the write-up ends abruptly before revealing the testing results. Wikisimpsons has a bit more info sourced from DVD commentary revealing that the tomacco had no nicotine in it: https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Tomacco#Behind_the_Laughter https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Tomacco#Behind_the_Laughter Wikidoc has even more detail but no sources: https://wikidoc.org/index.php/Tomacco https://wikidoc.org/index.php/Tomacco
- Alex3917 3y agoThat's not entirely surprising. The whole point of grafting is to clone the plant you're taking scion wood from. Are there any examples where choice of rootstock can affect things like flavor? I've heard of rootstock affecting things like vigor, disease resistance, and cold hardiness, but never anything like taste or psychoactivity.
- veave 3y agoThere are sources here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Products_produced_from_The_Simpsons#Tomacco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Products_produced_from_The_Sim...
- Tao3300 3y agoI just figured the writer tasted it and perished.
- silisili 3y agoThat doesn't sound reliable. Tomatoes all have some naturally occurring nicotine, I would be surprised one grafted to a tobacco plant somehow has...none?
- gwern 3y agoThe Scientific American article in question: https://gwern.net/doc/biology/1959-robinson.pdf https://gwern.net/doc/biology/1959-robinson.pdf
- prvc 3y agoNo update since 2003?
- veave 3y agoYou can cut plants and fuse them just like that?
- hellcow 3y agoYes, it’s called grafting. My neighbor had a single tree which grew oranges, lemons, and limes using this.
- ipaddr 3y agoI have one with three different types of pears
- jrm4 3y agoAnd isn't it also the deal that most of our citrus fruits are just weirdo combos of like 4 citrus primitives or something?
- retrac 3y agoBrassica are the same way. Turnips, cabbage, bok choi, cauliflower, mustard, rapeseed, Brussel sprouts, kale, etc. Effectively all the same species -- hybrids or cultivars of a few wild ancestors that hybridize easily.
- lproven 3y agoYup. Wikipedia has some good visualisations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_taxonomy#Hybrids https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_taxonomy#Hybrids
- lbourdages 3y agoIt doesn't work in all cases but potatoes and tomatoes are closely related (potato fruits exist and are very poisonous, they look like cherry tomatoes). Orchards typically graft branches of the desired apple variety onto rootstock of an apple tree that has the size characteristics they want - typically, smaller trees as they can fit more per hectare and i's easier to pick if the branches don't grow as tall.
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- PrimeMcFly 3y agoEh, that's very old, and it was somewhat of a polarizing opinion after the doc came out. Plenty of Indans thought Apu was fine as he was.
- psychphysic 3y ago[flagged]
- stanski 3y agoI don't know why but society appears to always need to over-correct. There is no middle.
- codeisawesome 3y ago> I don't know why but society appears to always need to over-correct. There is no middle. This comment does not contain substantiation and only an opinion. So I’ll similarly state mine: this was not an overcorrection at all, it’s less action than is due to right the past wrongs.
- gorjusborg 3y agoViewing any stereotype as wrong is overcorrection. Stereotypes exist because they model things roughly.
- psychphysic 3y agoI'd not be surprised if some aren't entirely false.
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- sorokod 3y agoI believe that this is the same episode in which Bart, who has brittle bones, drinks Mulk.
- fortran77 3y agoMalk
- galleywest200 3y agoMalk now comes with with "Vitamin R", which is slang for "Rainier Beer" in the Pacific Northwest where Mat Groening went to college.
- SmellTheGlove 3y agoI believe he was promised dog or better.
- robertoandred 3y agoPeople love rats, but they don't want to drink the rats' milk?
- sorokod 3y agoAh, that's the one.
- veave 3y agoNo, that's The PTA Disbands.
- barathr 3y agoJust wait till you see this: grafting tomatoes and eggplant on tree Solanaceae (tomato relatives) in Italy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMTQeiLxABg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMTQeiLxABg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUO1vTrMRbc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUO1vTrMRbc You get the benefits of the tree's deep roots and ease of harvest. Even if you don't know Italian the videos are amazing.
- soligern 3y agoIsn’t wild Solanaceae a deadly poison in most cases?
- dylan604 3y agoThis is why you don’t just copy and paste I researched answers from SO.
- barathr 3y agoSome are and some aren't. The key question is whether the fruits grown on grafted branches have the toxins. There's no definitive study. This rootstock appears to be S. torvum. The gardener who's doing it has been doing it for years apparently with no ill health effects. Might be worth someone studying both his produce and his health to find out.
- j1elo 3y ago> I am going to try to schedule the testing done this Friday, October 24th. So WHY didn't you open up your editor on the 25th and let us the World know about the results (or lack thereof)??? I hate so much the utter lack of discipline and follow-up of the average internet person :-( (of course in a tongue in cheek way) This happens so many times... who hasn't found an interesting forum topic, sometimes describing exactly the same problem we're having, with a promising resolution, but which never actually arrived?
- kaycebasques 3y agohttps://xkcd.com/979 https://xkcd.com/979
- j1elo 3y agoI really felt like shaking this person like the xkcd comic guy shakes the screen... It's one thing to talk about something and just casually never following up. That's bad enough already. But giving a precise date, and promising a follow-up, then never doing it... that's purely evil! Only valid excuse is a life-altering accident or something serious like that. Otherwise I'll hate you and will want to call you things ...shouting at my screen in my room's solitude.
- ethbr0 3y ago> sometimes describing exactly the same problem we're having, with a promising resolution Exactly! I've been trying to perfect my tomacco grafts for 20 years at this point and was unable to find any information. The nerve of the author!
- fallinghawks 3y ago"I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain."
- j1elo 3y agoGreat quote!!! Thanks for the reminder that the first case of such disrespect to the reader came way earlier than internet forums :)
- dinkblam 3y agoAaaah Tomacco! Slightly off-topic trivia: there is a reference to Tomaccos in the story-mode of the game CoreBreach (https://www.corecode.io/corebreach/ https://www.corecode.io/corebreach/). [Probably cannot be obtained anymore for quite a few years now - certainly won't run with modern OSs]. Further references are made to Blade Runner, Soylent Green, Terry Pratchett, etc, etc There were also a number of hidden Simpson and Family Guy related easter-eggs, none of which were ever discovered.
- pvaldes 3y agoDo this fan knew that tomatoes have yet nicotine included without any special treatment?