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Just stop having babies.

by noduerme 3y ago

zx90 3y ago
It's already happening: https://youtu.be/A6s8QlIGanA https://youtu.be/A6s8QlIGanA
Ygg2 3y ago
Why be passive? Design cars to kill their occupants turn them to compost. Even more green.
- noduerme 3y ago
  This is like if I said "stop buying Bitcoin" and you were like "why not just set all your money on fire?"
  - xboxnolifes 3y ago
    No it's not. It's like if you said to stop making Bitcoin miners, and they said to intentionally sabotage existing Bitcoin miners.
    - noduerme 3y ago
      Fine point. I was trying to leave mining out of it. Anyway, an argument towards stopping future use and abuse of a broken system is not equivalent to an argument to destroy existing structures. The former is corrective; the latter is revolutionary. Revolutions are stupid and useless because they always result in a new iteration of the existing problem.
tuatoru 3y ago
Just stop othering the problem. Look in the mirror. Have you been on a plane? Do you use motor transport? Does your home have electricity? The problem is you, not some baby in a country where people consume in a year what an American does in a day.
- noduerme 3y ago
  I didn't specify a country where people should stop having babies. As far as I'm concerned, every one baby Americans have is more ecologically harmful than 5 babies in Africa. It's not othering the problem. I think that the people who are already here are already doing enough damage, and that it's enormously selfish and pathologically narcissistic to want to add more humans to the world just to pass along your DNA. Of all the things you listed, I will never consume more than one human's worth of those resources. Whereas for every child you have, you are placing a claim on exponentially increasing resources in perpetuity.
- Incipient 3y ago
  > Does your home have electricity? Dumb arguments like this do more harm to the climate change cause than anything else. It comes across as an unreasonable and uneducated point of view that no one listens to.

Just stop having babies.

zx90 3y ago

It's already happening: https://youtu.be/A6s8QlIGanA https://youtu.be/A6s8QlIGanA

Ygg2 3y ago

Why be passive? Design cars to kill their occupants turn them to compost. Even more green.

noduerme 3y ago
This is like if I said "stop buying Bitcoin" and you were like "why not just set all your money on fire?"
- xboxnolifes 3y ago
  No it's not. It's like if you said to stop making Bitcoin miners, and they said to intentionally sabotage existing Bitcoin miners.
  - noduerme 3y ago
    Fine point. I was trying to leave mining out of it. Anyway, an argument towards stopping future use and abuse of a broken system is not equivalent to an argument to destroy existing structures. The former is corrective; the latter is revolutionary. Revolutions are stupid and useless because they always result in a new iteration of the existing problem.

tuatoru 3y ago

Just stop othering the problem. Look in the mirror. Have you been on a plane? Do you use motor transport? Does your home have electricity? The problem is you, not some baby in a country where people consume in a year what an American does in a day.

noduerme 3y ago
I didn't specify a country where people should stop having babies. As far as I'm concerned, every one baby Americans have is more ecologically harmful than 5 babies in Africa. It's not othering the problem. I think that the people who are already here are already doing enough damage, and that it's enormously selfish and pathologically narcissistic to want to add more humans to the world just to pass along your DNA. Of all the things you listed, I will never consume more than one human's worth of those resources. Whereas for every child you have, you are placing a claim on exponentially increasing resources in perpetuity.
Incipient 3y ago
> Does your home have electricity? Dumb arguments like this do more harm to the climate change cause than anything else. It comes across as an unreasonable and uneducated point of view that no one listens to.