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We should take note that even now we have companies pushing back against any changes to our oil consumption. They're literally intent on destroying our way of l

We should take note that even now we have companies pushing back against any changes to our oil consumption. They're literally intent on destroying our way of life to get a bit more profit.

dbs 3y ago
Source?
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  Sorry, about to go grab a train, so only had time to find a couple of Shell examples: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66108553 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66108553 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59154930 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59154930
- myshpa 3y ago
  It's not just fossil fuels. "The factory of ignorance": Arte tells about these industrialists who manipulate science https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2021-02-23-%0A---%22the-factory-of-ignorance%22--arte-tells-about-these-industrialists-who-manipulate-science%0A--.SJbWVIfG_.html https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2021-02-23-%0A---%22the-fa... Inside big beef’s climate messaging machine: confuse, defend and downplay https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-industry-public-relations-messaging-machine https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-ind... Why Right-Wingers Are So Afraid of Men Eating Vegetables https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-crickets https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-cric... The meat industry is borrowing tactics from Big Oil to obfuscate the truth about climate change https://www.salon.com/2022/11/11/the-meat-industry-is-borrowing-tactics-from-big-oil-to-obfuscate-the-truth-about-climate-change/ https://www.salon.com/2022/11/11/the-meat-industry-is-borrow... Why the media too often ignores the connection between climate change and meat https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23778399/media-ignores-climate-change-beef-meat-dairy https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23778399/media-ignores-cl... How Big Oil is manipulating the way you think about climate change https://www.salon.com/2023/05/13/how-big-oil-is-manipulating-the-way-you-think-about-climate-change/ https://www.salon.com/2023/05/13/how-big-oil-is-manipulating... Disinformation and lies are spreading faster than Australia's bushfires https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/12/disinformation-and-lies-are-spreading-faster-than-australias-bushfires https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/12/disin... Rightwing war on ‘woke capitalism’ partly driven by fossil fuel interests and allies https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/22/rightwing-war-on-woke-capitalism-industry-interests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/22/rightwing-wa... Senate Hearing Exposes 'Insidious' Dark Money Network Fueling Climate Crisis https://www.commondreams.org/news/senate-dark-money-climate https://www.commondreams.org/news/senate-dark-money-climate Report: 1,500 Big Oil Lobbyists “Double Agents” for Supposed Climate Champions https://truthout.org/articles/report-1500-big-oil-lobbyists-double-agents-for-supposed-climate-champions/ https://truthout.org/articles/report-1500-big-oil-lobbyists-... Chemical industry used big tobacco’s tactics to conceal evidence of PFAS risks https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/07/pfas-3m-dupont-chemical-industry-health-toxic-study https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/07/pfas-3m-... Analysis: Most research on PFAS harms is unpublicized https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/995593 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/995593
Aerroon 3y ago
But our oil consumption essentially is our way of life. Changing it will have enormous effects on modern life. A lot of people are going to see a significant drop in their quality of life as a result. This is why it's so hard to change things in the first place, it's not about the companies, but about average people.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  That seems disingenuous when the climate catastrophe is going to have far greater effects on modern life. Too many people are clinging to the dream of continuing to dig out and burn as much oil as possible when it's clear that that behaviour is not sustainable. Although personal responsibility is never a bad thing, we need to focus on the big companies that have been deliberately hiding climate science for decades - they're the ones doing the lion's share of the polluting and suppressing alternatives.
  - rhn_mk1 3y ago
    It's the clear tension of keeping our way of life now versus being able to keep parts of it in the future. Clearly, some people care about the now more than the future.
  - klipt 3y ago
    The solution is a carbon tax, which is unpopular with big oil companies but probably also unpopular with many citizens who vote based on gas prices. We may just have to use solar radiation management instead.
    - myshpa 3y ago
      That's not a solution.
    - phs318u 3y ago
      > solar radiation management Hahahaha. I can see it now: "Exxon Stratospheric Sulfur Shield - using dirty fuels in long-haul flights to create a particulate-based solar shield [0]. Partnering with governments around the globe [1] to protect the earth and boost tourism. Because we care." [0] https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/stratospheric-aerosols.html https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/stratospheric-aer... [1] https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trillion-in-subsidies-in-2020-report-finds https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trill...

We should take note that even now we have companies pushing back against any changes to our oil consumption. They're literally intent on destroying our way of life to get a bit more profit.

dbs 3y ago

Source?

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
Sorry, about to go grab a train, so only had time to find a couple of Shell examples: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66108553 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66108553 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59154930 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59154930
myshpa 3y ago
It's not just fossil fuels. "The factory of ignorance": Arte tells about these industrialists who manipulate science https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2021-02-23-%0A---%22the-factory-of-ignorance%22--arte-tells-about-these-industrialists-who-manipulate-science%0A--.SJbWVIfG_.html https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2021-02-23-%0A---%22the-fa... Inside big beef’s climate messaging machine: confuse, defend and downplay https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-industry-public-relations-messaging-machine https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-ind... Why Right-Wingers Are So Afraid of Men Eating Vegetables https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-crickets https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-cric... The meat industry is borrowing tactics from Big Oil to obfuscate the truth about climate change https://www.salon.com/2022/11/11/the-meat-industry-is-borrowing-tactics-from-big-oil-to-obfuscate-the-truth-about-climate-change/ https://www.salon.com/2022/11/11/the-meat-industry-is-borrow... Why the media too often ignores the connection between climate change and meat https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23778399/media-ignores-climate-change-beef-meat-dairy https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23778399/media-ignores-cl... How Big Oil is manipulating the way you think about climate change https://www.salon.com/2023/05/13/how-big-oil-is-manipulating-the-way-you-think-about-climate-change/ https://www.salon.com/2023/05/13/how-big-oil-is-manipulating... Disinformation and lies are spreading faster than Australia's bushfires https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/12/disinformation-and-lies-are-spreading-faster-than-australias-bushfires https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/12/disin... Rightwing war on ‘woke capitalism’ partly driven by fossil fuel interests and allies https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/22/rightwing-war-on-woke-capitalism-industry-interests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/22/rightwing-wa... Senate Hearing Exposes 'Insidious' Dark Money Network Fueling Climate Crisis https://www.commondreams.org/news/senate-dark-money-climate https://www.commondreams.org/news/senate-dark-money-climate Report: 1,500 Big Oil Lobbyists “Double Agents” for Supposed Climate Champions https://truthout.org/articles/report-1500-big-oil-lobbyists-double-agents-for-supposed-climate-champions/ https://truthout.org/articles/report-1500-big-oil-lobbyists-... Chemical industry used big tobacco’s tactics to conceal evidence of PFAS risks https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/07/pfas-3m-dupont-chemical-industry-health-toxic-study https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/07/pfas-3m-... Analysis: Most research on PFAS harms is unpublicized https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/995593 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/995593

Aerroon 3y ago

But our oil consumption essentially is our way of life. Changing it will have enormous effects on modern life. A lot of people are going to see a significant drop in their quality of life as a result. This is why it's so hard to change things in the first place, it's not about the companies, but about average people.

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
That seems disingenuous when the climate catastrophe is going to have far greater effects on modern life. Too many people are clinging to the dream of continuing to dig out and burn as much oil as possible when it's clear that that behaviour is not sustainable. Although personal responsibility is never a bad thing, we need to focus on the big companies that have been deliberately hiding climate science for decades - they're the ones doing the lion's share of the polluting and suppressing alternatives.
- rhn_mk1 3y ago
  It's the clear tension of keeping our way of life now versus being able to keep parts of it in the future. Clearly, some people care about the now more than the future.
- klipt 3y ago
  The solution is a carbon tax, which is unpopular with big oil companies but probably also unpopular with many citizens who vote based on gas prices. We may just have to use solar radiation management instead.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    That's not a solution.
  - phs318u 3y ago
    > solar radiation management Hahahaha. I can see it now: "Exxon Stratospheric Sulfur Shield - using dirty fuels in long-haul flights to create a particulate-based solar shield [0]. Partnering with governments around the globe [1] to protect the earth and boost tourism. Because we care." [0] https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/stratospheric-aerosols.html https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/stratospheric-aer... [1] https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trillion-in-subsidies-in-2020-report-finds https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trill...