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There was never a social contract people signed into in the first place. Every individual is born free, and not as thrall to retroactive "obligations" one had n

There was never a social contract people signed into in the first place. Every individual is born free, and not as thrall to retroactive "obligations" one had no part in instituting or causing.

sangnoir 3y ago
> Every individual is born free, and not as thrall to retroactive "obligations" Moving from the philosophical realm into the practical - do you suppose a world free from law enforcement, a justice system, Delaware courts and enforcement of property right is better than the one with those things? These rich tech / VC guys see themselves as natural leaders, but I doubt they have what it takes to be warlords in their fantasy dystopia.
- Dracophoenix 3y ago
  Aside from the Deleware Chancery, the world had everything you described long before the notion of the "social contract" was presented as a formal political theory by Hobbes. Also, the bit about warlords isn't a reasonable comment. The rich tech/ VC guys you speak of are in no more or less of a position to establish a dystopia, than Washington and the Continental Congress (many of whom were merchants and traders) were during and after the Revolutionary War.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    > Aside from the Deleware Chancery, the world had everything you described long before the notion of the "social contract" was presented as a formal political theory by Hobbes Small-s "social contracts" predates Hobbes' formalization. The notion that different levels of the ruling- or socio-economic strata keep within certain unnegotiated norms seems intuitive to me and was well-known since before the feudal age: don't over-tax your citizens or risk rebellion, landlords not over-exploiting their serfs or the serfs would vote with their feet. Noblisse oblige has strains of the same thinking, and it predates Hobbes by quite a bit.
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There was never a social contract people signed into in the first place. Every individual is born free, and not as thrall to retroactive "obligations" one had n

by Dracophoenix 3y ago

There was never a social contract people signed into in the first place. Every individual is born free, and not as thrall to retroactive "obligations" one had no part in instituting or causing.

sangnoir 3y ago
> Every individual is born free, and not as thrall to retroactive "obligations" Moving from the philosophical realm into the practical - do you suppose a world free from law enforcement, a justice system, Delaware courts and enforcement of property right is better than the one with those things? These rich tech / VC guys see themselves as natural leaders, but I doubt they have what it takes to be warlords in their fantasy dystopia.
- Dracophoenix 3y ago
  Aside from the Deleware Chancery, the world had everything you described long before the notion of the "social contract" was presented as a formal political theory by Hobbes. Also, the bit about warlords isn't a reasonable comment. The rich tech/ VC guys you speak of are in no more or less of a position to establish a dystopia, than Washington and the Continental Congress (many of whom were merchants and traders) were during and after the Revolutionary War.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    > Aside from the Deleware Chancery, the world had everything you described long before the notion of the "social contract" was presented as a formal political theory by Hobbes Small-s "social contracts" predates Hobbes' formalization. The notion that different levels of the ruling- or socio-economic strata keep within certain unnegotiated norms seems intuitive to me and was well-known since before the feudal age: don't over-tax your citizens or risk rebellion, landlords not over-exploiting their serfs or the serfs would vote with their feet. Noblisse oblige has strains of the same thinking, and it predates Hobbes by quite a bit.
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