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My impression was that Netflix came along with up-front pay packages because taking a residual-heavy deal was not attractive back when streaming was unknown. N

My impression was that Netflix came along with up-front pay packages because taking a residual-heavy deal was not attractive back when streaming was unknown. No mustache-twirling required, just a business model that made sense then and is no longer equitable. The other point is that extras are getting full-body 3D scanned for a day’s pay, licensed in perpetuity. That is an existential threat to the profession; no actor could ever become a high-paid superstar if a bunch of producers own the rights to their likeness from back before they were famous. That’s the Marvel movies, not Netflix. As you say, it seems Hollywood has a long storied history of abusing their labor pool at whatever opportunity they get. This is not something they learned from SV.

koolba 3y ago
> The other point is that extras are getting full-body 3D scanned for a day’s pay, licensed in perpetuity. Wtf? Is this really a thing?
- aintgonnatakeit 3y ago
  Yes https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/07/19/ai-actors-fear-sag-strike-hollywood/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/07/19/ai-acto... https://www.axios.com/2023/07/18/hollywood-strike-sag-aftra-wga https://www.axios.com/2023/07/18/hollywood-strike-sag-aftra-... https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/07/14/striking-actors-say-hollywood-studios-want-to-perpetually-use-ai-generated-replicas-of-actors-for-one-days-pay/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/07/14/strikin...
- taeric 3y ago
  Extras have always gotten basically nothing, though? Quite often extras are "allowed to stand around" for filming of a scene that doesn't have a star in it for the chance of being on the big screen. Or is that no longer the case?
  - chris11 3y ago
    It's not just extras. Jet Li turned down The Matrix Reloaded because they were requiring that he also sell the rights to the martial arts moves used.
    - taeric 3y ago
      I didn't mean my point to be a complete dismissal of the concern. Only pointing out that extras have always been sorta ignored.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      What? How does that work? Did Jet Li actually invent some techniques? Can you copyright martial art to begin with? Does Hollywood sue some kid if they do a flying drop kick on the playground?
- theptip 3y ago
  Pretty crazy if true, eg https://twitter.com/feliciaday/status/1679582315104829446 https://twitter.com/feliciaday/status/1679582315104829446
WalterBright 3y ago
If Hollywood wants to full body scan me so my likeness becomes famous forever, I'm all for it. Fly me down, give me a day pass to Disneyland, and I'm good.
- floren 3y ago
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  - dang 3y ago
    Yikes, you can't post like this here, no matter how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do, and I don't want to ban you. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
    - floren 3y ago
      Sorry dang... instead of calling Walter a bootlicker, would it have been more acceptable to post something like the following? "Walter has a noted tendency to come racing into any thread involving labor disputes, stumbling over himself to defend the bosses and pointing out that the lazy layabout workers should be happy they're getting anything at all, and this instance is no different." Basically, is it the tone, or the content of the message? I'll adjust as needed.
      - dang 3y ago
        That's still too snarky and too personal. Why not just make a better argument? or, if that's not worth your time, downvote and move on.
- deleted 3y ago
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- pests 3y ago
  That's easy for you to say because you have no skin in the game. Imagine a service where a system can scan all your programming and engineering knowledge and expertise into an AI that then can be hired out to other companies infinitely and forever. You might care then because this obviously reduces the profit you can now extract from your labor.

koolba 3y ago

> The other point is that extras are getting full-body 3D scanned for a day’s pay, licensed in perpetuity. Wtf? Is this really a thing?

aintgonnatakeit 3y ago
Yes https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/07/19/ai-actors-fear-sag-strike-hollywood/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/07/19/ai-acto... https://www.axios.com/2023/07/18/hollywood-strike-sag-aftra-wga https://www.axios.com/2023/07/18/hollywood-strike-sag-aftra-... https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/07/14/striking-actors-say-hollywood-studios-want-to-perpetually-use-ai-generated-replicas-of-actors-for-one-days-pay/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/07/14/strikin...
taeric 3y ago
Extras have always gotten basically nothing, though? Quite often extras are "allowed to stand around" for filming of a scene that doesn't have a star in it for the chance of being on the big screen. Or is that no longer the case?
- chris11 3y ago
  It's not just extras. Jet Li turned down The Matrix Reloaded because they were requiring that he also sell the rights to the martial arts moves used.
  - taeric 3y ago
    I didn't mean my point to be a complete dismissal of the concern. Only pointing out that extras have always been sorta ignored.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    What? How does that work? Did Jet Li actually invent some techniques? Can you copyright martial art to begin with? Does Hollywood sue some kid if they do a flying drop kick on the playground?
theptip 3y ago
Pretty crazy if true, eg https://twitter.com/feliciaday/status/1679582315104829446 https://twitter.com/feliciaday/status/1679582315104829446

WalterBright 3y ago

If Hollywood wants to full body scan me so my likeness becomes famous forever, I'm all for it. Fly me down, give me a day pass to Disneyland, and I'm good.

floren 3y ago
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- dang 3y ago
  Yikes, you can't post like this here, no matter how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do, and I don't want to ban you. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - floren 3y ago
    Sorry dang... instead of calling Walter a bootlicker, would it have been more acceptable to post something like the following? "Walter has a noted tendency to come racing into any thread involving labor disputes, stumbling over himself to defend the bosses and pointing out that the lazy layabout workers should be happy they're getting anything at all, and this instance is no different." Basically, is it the tone, or the content of the message? I'll adjust as needed.
    - dang 3y ago
      That's still too snarky and too personal. Why not just make a better argument? or, if that's not worth your time, downvote and move on.
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pests 3y ago
That's easy for you to say because you have no skin in the game. Imagine a service where a system can scan all your programming and engineering knowledge and expertise into an AI that then can be hired out to other companies infinitely and forever. You might care then because this obviously reduces the profit you can now extract from your labor.