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I don't see anything at all concerning with this from an ethical perspective.... /s

by iaw 3y ago

ls612 3y ago
Serious question: What do you think the ethical concerns of having 800,000 neurons connected to a silicon chip are?
- LoganDark 3y ago
  the ethical concerns are usually along the lines of "what separates neurons in a petri dish from the neurons in your head". sure, you can tell the difference now, but that may not be true forever
- xwdv 3y ago
  The ethical concern here is no greater than the ethical concern of eating animals.
  - ROTMetro 3y ago
    I guess, if the animal being eaten is living interconnected human brain matter.
- flangola7 3y ago
  Ww don't have evidence that 800,000 neurons are not capable of consciousness and pain.
- Legend2440 3y ago
  An individual neuron has no ethical concerns at all. A talking, thinking Futurama-style "head in a jar" would be obviously awful. The problem is that I have no clue where to draw the line between these two scenarios. How many neurons does it take for consciousness?
- egypturnash 3y ago
  According to Wikipedia's list of animals by the number of neurons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_neurons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_n...), 800k is around the scale of a bee, or a cockroach. The smallest mammal on that list is the Little Free-Tailed Bat, with 35,000k. This feels like something helpful to use in beginning to calibrate one's thoughts about how much mind is capable of running on that many neurons.
  - muzani 3y ago
    A human has 21B neurons. A house cat has around 250M. So let's draw the line around there.
    - rcarmo 3y ago
      The cat appears to be much more efficient, given that it can farm out tasks to the human consistently.
    - ls612 3y ago
      Humans have 85-100B neurons in the brain and another many more in the spine and other CNS bits.
  - blharr 3y ago
    A biological neuron and an artificial neuron are also not the same.
    - egypturnash 3y ago
      No, they are not. You'll notice I said that scale feels like it's useful for beginning to calibrate your thoughts about how much mind can run on any given number of neurons.
- thumbuddy 3y ago
  Creating human cognizant life to enslave it to perform menial tasks like imagine porn for the average couch surfer until it inevitably dies sound ethical to ya? We've come a long way from the "we shouldn't clone people" of the 90s debates I guess... also somehow women aren't allowed to get reproductive healthcare, man the cognitive dissonance is wild
thumbuddy 3y ago
Ethics and rigor died in western science maybe fifteen years ago...
- specto 3y ago
  As opposed to eastern "science"?

I don't see anything at all concerning with this from an ethical perspective.... /s

by iaw 3y ago

I don't see anything at all concerning with this from an ethical perspective.... /s

ls612 3y ago

Serious question: What do you think the ethical concerns of having 800,000 neurons connected to a silicon chip are?

LoganDark 3y ago
the ethical concerns are usually along the lines of "what separates neurons in a petri dish from the neurons in your head". sure, you can tell the difference now, but that may not be true forever
xwdv 3y ago
The ethical concern here is no greater than the ethical concern of eating animals.
- ROTMetro 3y ago
  I guess, if the animal being eaten is living interconnected human brain matter.
flangola7 3y ago
Ww don't have evidence that 800,000 neurons are not capable of consciousness and pain.
Legend2440 3y ago
An individual neuron has no ethical concerns at all. A talking, thinking Futurama-style "head in a jar" would be obviously awful. The problem is that I have no clue where to draw the line between these two scenarios. How many neurons does it take for consciousness?
egypturnash 3y ago
According to Wikipedia's list of animals by the number of neurons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_neurons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_n...), 800k is around the scale of a bee, or a cockroach. The smallest mammal on that list is the Little Free-Tailed Bat, with 35,000k. This feels like something helpful to use in beginning to calibrate one's thoughts about how much mind is capable of running on that many neurons.
- muzani 3y ago
  A human has 21B neurons. A house cat has around 250M. So let's draw the line around there.
  - rcarmo 3y ago
    The cat appears to be much more efficient, given that it can farm out tasks to the human consistently.
  - ls612 3y ago
    Humans have 85-100B neurons in the brain and another many more in the spine and other CNS bits.
- blharr 3y ago
  A biological neuron and an artificial neuron are also not the same.
  - egypturnash 3y ago
    No, they are not. You'll notice I said that scale feels like it's useful for beginning to calibrate your thoughts about how much mind can run on any given number of neurons.
thumbuddy 3y ago
Creating human cognizant life to enslave it to perform menial tasks like imagine porn for the average couch surfer until it inevitably dies sound ethical to ya? We've come a long way from the "we shouldn't clone people" of the 90s debates I guess... also somehow women aren't allowed to get reproductive healthcare, man the cognitive dissonance is wild

thumbuddy 3y ago

Ethics and rigor died in western science maybe fifteen years ago...

specto 3y ago
As opposed to eastern "science"?