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> only to get your eyebrows singed and a lungfull of half combusted propane I dare say, something is wrong with your stove if any of this is even half true. Ei

by Alupis 3y ago

> only to get your eyebrows singed and a lungfull of half combusted propane I dare say, something is wrong with your stove if any of this is even half true. Either that, or people need to learn to cook. This article is about the particulate being released from the items inside the pan. Such as fats/oils burning... which will happen no matter what style pan or range top you use.

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rootusrootus 3y ago
I generally agree, though I did somewhat regularly singe the hair on my knuckles. A lot of the heat from a gas burner goes up the side of the pan. And turning on a vent fan can suck a surprising amount of heat away from the pan. That does kinda suck since gas isn't really very powerful to begin with. I switched recently to induction and I'm very happy. I did have to relearn some cooking habits, of course, because induction is so much faster and more powerful than gas. The instant temperature change is super handy, too. Gas is relatively fast, too, but still slow compared to induction.
- Alupis 3y ago
  > The instant temperature change is super handy It's amazing to me to see us careening towards a future of doubling, tripling, or even quadrupling every household's electricity usage - but we're not doing anything to ensure the capacity is there to handle the demand. Every new power plant, dam, nuclear, etc is met with fierce opposition... Induction uses a tremendous amount of electricity, and is expensive to operate. So are the other current trendy items, such as heat pumps and electric vehicles. We have no way to support all this, even if they were objectively better (and the fact that there is debate around this subject proves just the opposite). It's also strange to see the duality of complaining about things like bitcoin wasting electricity, while we also advocate for massive increases in consumption everywhere else. For now, Induction ranges are a thing for those privileged enough to be able to afford them, all the peripherals required to operate them (cookware, etc), and operational expenses.
  - dgacmu 3y ago
    You're somehow ignoring the fact that natural gas is ... an energy source. Cooking uses energy, period, whether it's delivered in a pipe or a wire. The difference is that electricity _can_ be generated in a carbon-neutral way, but methane can't. The other underlying question is about the conversion efficiency of, e.g., natural gas to electricity to heat (generation station -> house -> induction stove) vs directly burning gas at the stove. And the answer is -- induction often wins out, because gas stoves are pretty inefficient (they let a lot of heat energy bypass the pan). And it wins from an indoor air quality perspective. Where it may not win is cost, depending on the relative prices of gas and electricity where you live. But full electrification of your house allows you to save the costs of the monthly gas hookup and may reduce insurance costs.
    - cj 3y ago
      I don’t necessarily agree nor disagree with your position. However > save the costs of the monthly gas hookup For anyone wondering how much a common gas (propane) stove costs: I have a 100 gallon propane tank that cost ~$300 to fill and lasts multiple years without a refill. My whole-house generator also runs off the same propane tank. So I refill it maybe once a year (where we average 1-2 days without power per year). One unspoken benefit of gas: it works without electricity. I hate the inside air pollution, though. I could see myself maybe trying induction. I could never switch ti electric. Personal preference but when I turn on a stove I don’t have patience to wait for it to warm up.
      - doubleg72 3y ago
        Funny.. here in Pennsylvania, that 100 gallon tank is over $800 to fill and lasts only half the winter. Here I was thinking we had low propane costs.
        jefftk 3y ago
        > lasts only half the winter Are you also running your heat off the tank? Because it sounds like your parent isn't.
thathndude 3y ago
Agreed. I’ve used induction and really enjoy it. When my gas stove at my current (new to us) house is done, I will definitely replace with induction. However, gas is just fine and these problems are way overblown.
jefftk 3y ago
> This article is about the particulate being released from the items inside the pan. That's right; this is all with an electric range.

by Alupis 3y ago

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rootusrootus 3y ago

I generally agree, though I did somewhat regularly singe the hair on my knuckles. A lot of the heat from a gas burner goes up the side of the pan. And turning on a vent fan can suck a surprising amount of heat away from the pan. That does kinda suck since gas isn't really very powerful to begin with. I switched recently to induction and I'm very happy. I did have to relearn some cooking habits, of course, because induction is so much faster and more powerful than gas. The instant temperature change is super handy, too. Gas is relatively fast, too, but still slow compared to induction.

Alupis 3y ago
> The instant temperature change is super handy It's amazing to me to see us careening towards a future of doubling, tripling, or even quadrupling every household's electricity usage - but we're not doing anything to ensure the capacity is there to handle the demand. Every new power plant, dam, nuclear, etc is met with fierce opposition... Induction uses a tremendous amount of electricity, and is expensive to operate. So are the other current trendy items, such as heat pumps and electric vehicles. We have no way to support all this, even if they were objectively better (and the fact that there is debate around this subject proves just the opposite). It's also strange to see the duality of complaining about things like bitcoin wasting electricity, while we also advocate for massive increases in consumption everywhere else. For now, Induction ranges are a thing for those privileged enough to be able to afford them, all the peripherals required to operate them (cookware, etc), and operational expenses.
- dgacmu 3y ago
  You're somehow ignoring the fact that natural gas is ... an energy source. Cooking uses energy, period, whether it's delivered in a pipe or a wire. The difference is that electricity _can_ be generated in a carbon-neutral way, but methane can't. The other underlying question is about the conversion efficiency of, e.g., natural gas to electricity to heat (generation station -> house -> induction stove) vs directly burning gas at the stove. And the answer is -- induction often wins out, because gas stoves are pretty inefficient (they let a lot of heat energy bypass the pan). And it wins from an indoor air quality perspective. Where it may not win is cost, depending on the relative prices of gas and electricity where you live. But full electrification of your house allows you to save the costs of the monthly gas hookup and may reduce insurance costs.
  - cj 3y ago
    I don’t necessarily agree nor disagree with your position. However > save the costs of the monthly gas hookup For anyone wondering how much a common gas (propane) stove costs: I have a 100 gallon propane tank that cost ~$300 to fill and lasts multiple years without a refill. My whole-house generator also runs off the same propane tank. So I refill it maybe once a year (where we average 1-2 days without power per year). One unspoken benefit of gas: it works without electricity. I hate the inside air pollution, though. I could see myself maybe trying induction. I could never switch ti electric. Personal preference but when I turn on a stove I don’t have patience to wait for it to warm up.
    - doubleg72 3y ago
      Funny.. here in Pennsylvania, that 100 gallon tank is over $800 to fill and lasts only half the winter. Here I was thinking we had low propane costs.
      - jefftk 3y ago
        > lasts only half the winter Are you also running your heat off the tank? Because it sounds like your parent isn't.

thathndude 3y ago

Agreed. I’ve used induction and really enjoy it. When my gas stove at my current (new to us) house is done, I will definitely replace with induction. However, gas is just fine and these problems are way overblown.

jefftk 3y ago

> This article is about the particulate being released from the items inside the pan. That's right; this is all with an electric range.