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Go check out Sean McMeekin's Stalin's War for a pithy rebuttal to this point of view - but the idea that Soviet entry was a equal reason to the atomic bomb is a

Go check out Sean McMeekin's Stalin's War for a pithy rebuttal to this point of view - but the idea that Soviet entry was a equal reason to the atomic bomb is a minority view (at best saying it nicely) in the historical community, but rather a very successful propaganda effort that Stalin launched shortly after the war to justify his taking of larger portions of asia.

hef19898 3y ago
Ah, the guy who claimed WW2 was a Stalin and not an Axis thing? Well, that is a minority view at best. At worst, it is repeating a bunch Nazi appologist views about the whole affaire. Heck, he even claims a seperate UK-Germany peace after the Battle of France was a potential thing, talking fringe theories ignoring historical facts here... But hey, if ypu need to justify the use of WMDs against civilians, every excuse is a good one I guess.
- InTheArena 3y ago
  Both Hitler and Stalin believed a separate peace was possible - and if Halifax or Chamberlain led the government, rather then Churchill, and if Churchill had actually been open to the communication with the Nazis that met his famous quote that if he thought he could get out of it by only giving up Gibraltar he would, the story might be different. Hitler was gobstocked. Your claim Sean as a Nazi apologist to discredit him literally are repeat soviet propaganda lines. In fact Putin recently made all of these arguments again to justify his invasion of Ukraine - I trust you see the irony. War is hell - and atomic war is hell. War isn’t justifiable, and yet war is part of human nature. This is something that Historians have studied since there were historians. Ignore that research at your peril. The WW2 and modern conflict historians have done just that.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Oh, Hitler believed a lot things... Bad for both, that Churchill was prime minister, right? Also, I didn't say Stalin's War is Nazi apologist BS, just that it seems borderline to some BS that was spread right after the war. Which makes sense, since it was the early days of the Cold War. Churchil was never in favor of a seperate peace, nor someone else in the Allied camp. Every declaration made that extremely clear. Claiming otherwise is delusional.

hef19898 3y ago

Ah, the guy who claimed WW2 was a Stalin and not an Axis thing? Well, that is a minority view at best. At worst, it is repeating a bunch Nazi appologist views about the whole affaire. Heck, he even claims a seperate UK-Germany peace after the Battle of France was a potential thing, talking fringe theories ignoring historical facts here... But hey, if ypu need to justify the use of WMDs against civilians, every excuse is a good one I guess.

InTheArena 3y ago
Both Hitler and Stalin believed a separate peace was possible - and if Halifax or Chamberlain led the government, rather then Churchill, and if Churchill had actually been open to the communication with the Nazis that met his famous quote that if he thought he could get out of it by only giving up Gibraltar he would, the story might be different. Hitler was gobstocked. Your claim Sean as a Nazi apologist to discredit him literally are repeat soviet propaganda lines. In fact Putin recently made all of these arguments again to justify his invasion of Ukraine - I trust you see the irony. War is hell - and atomic war is hell. War isn’t justifiable, and yet war is part of human nature. This is something that Historians have studied since there were historians. Ignore that research at your peril. The WW2 and modern conflict historians have done just that.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Oh, Hitler believed a lot things... Bad for both, that Churchill was prime minister, right? Also, I didn't say Stalin's War is Nazi apologist BS, just that it seems borderline to some BS that was spread right after the war. Which makes sense, since it was the early days of the Cold War. Churchil was never in favor of a seperate peace, nor someone else in the Allied camp. Every declaration made that extremely clear. Claiming otherwise is delusional.