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> NATO could do way way WAY more Where in NATO charter are they to interfere for a non-NATO country?

mschuster91 3y ago
We could have delivered tanks from our storages the very second the first Russian crossed the border, we could have delivered fighter jets, we could have done a lot without directly involving us into the war. Instead we got Biden being afraid of Republicans (most importantly the Russian asset that was the 45th President), our German Olaf Scholz being afraid of his own party and its close ties to Russia and the far-right and far-left and their even closer ties, and French Macron and Turkey's Erdogan both trying to act like they're kingmakers. Oh and we got Ukraine to agree not to use the pittances we send to hurt the Russians on their own soil. All while hundreds of thousands of civilians and troops died in Ukraine. What a disgrace - our hesitation cost real human lives for nothing.
- landemva 3y ago
  USA provided munitions before WW1 and Germans took out the Lusitania after warning Americans not to set sail on that boat. https://archive.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html https://archive.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html Providing munitions to non-NATO country is meddling and could be considered an act of war. Where is USA Congress to vote on this war?
  - _djo_ 3y ago
    > Providing munitions to non-NATO country is meddling and could be considered an act of war. Where is USA Congress to vote on this war? There is absolutely no relevant precedence for the supplying of weapons to a country at war to be considered an 'act of war'. It just isn't a thing. The US Congress has repeatedly voted to approve those arms sales and transfers.
HWR_14 3y ago
Under Article 4, which was invoked by Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the NAC can formally lead a joint response to any threat to any member (prior to any war). This led to a bunch of logistic support and prepositioning for closer NATO nations. It also led a joint decision for military material support for Ukraine, under the theory that it was cheaper support Ukraine today than fight Russia later.

We could have delivered tanks from our storages the very second the first Russian crossed the border, we could have delivered fighter jets, we could have done a lot without directly involving us into the war. Instead we got Biden being afraid of Republicans (most importantly the Russian asset that was the 45th President), our German Olaf Scholz being afraid of his own party and its close ties to Russia and the far-right and far-left and their even closer ties, and French Macron and Turkey's Erdogan both trying to act like they're kingmakers. Oh and we got Ukraine to agree not to use the pittances we send to hurt the Russians on their own soil. All while hundreds of thousands of civilians and troops died in Ukraine. What a disgrace - our hesitation cost real human lives for nothing.

landemva 3y ago
USA provided munitions before WW1 and Germans took out the Lusitania after warning Americans not to set sail on that boat. https://archive.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html https://archive.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html Providing munitions to non-NATO country is meddling and could be considered an act of war. Where is USA Congress to vote on this war?
- _djo_ 3y ago
  > Providing munitions to non-NATO country is meddling and could be considered an act of war. Where is USA Congress to vote on this war? There is absolutely no relevant precedence for the supplying of weapons to a country at war to be considered an 'act of war'. It just isn't a thing. The US Congress has repeatedly voted to approve those arms sales and transfers.

HWR_14 3y ago

Under Article 4, which was invoked by Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the NAC can formally lead a joint response to any threat to any member (prior to any war). This led to a bunch of logistic support and prepositioning for closer NATO nations. It also led a joint decision for military material support for Ukraine, under the theory that it was cheaper support Ukraine today than fight Russia later.