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> The problem, of course, is that all the above move the ability to earn money from people to capital, making those who have capital ever richer and those who h
by worrycue 3y ago
> The problem, of course, is that all the above move the ability to earn money from people to capital, making those who have capital ever richer and those who have not poorer, if not in absolute terms at least relatively, and that’s enough to make people feel poorer.
That’s the dystopia AGI promises to bring. Once AGI becomes a thing, it would be able to do all jobs. Trading human labour for money would cease to be a thing. The only ones who would still be able to make money are those who own the means of production.
The economy would consist entirely of “owners” who would trade the output of their enterprises among themselves. Everyone else would just be left out of the economy because they have nothing to trade with.
- jareklupinski 3y agodo you envision this going into full "sky city / earth city" divide, or will 'owners' realize they are dependant on something 'non-owners' can only provide?
- rqtwteye 3y agoI think history tells us that capitalists/aristocracy/owners don't voluntarily share their gains with the rest. They are perfectly fine living in splendor while the populace lives in poverty. And they tell themselves stories why they deserve it. The cycle usually gets disrupted by war or revolution.
- mavhc 3y agoAnd then their heads fall off
- alpha_squared 3y ago> something 'non-owners' can only provide? Commerce/consumption. What's the point of all the production if no one can buy it?
- masklinn 3y agoSurely AGI would also replace the owners because it would also be better at owning the means of production? There’s basically two routes then, in science fiction: the AI decides humans are wasteful (men of iron / thinking machines), or the AI goes turbo-communism because it sees humans as pets and you take care of and provide for your pets.
- worrycue 3y agoPerhaps I'm wrong but all intelligences are basically goal seeking machines no? People who create/own the AGI will program them with goals compatible to their own: AI's only goal is to of service to the owner and be an extension of the owner's will. Thus the AI will never overthrow them. AI will run their empires for their owners while said owners sit back and enjoy their lives.
- blibble 3y agoonly if they can program perfectly what do you think the odds of that are?
- worrycue 3y agoIf it's reliable enough to take over professional work, it can take over executive work as well.
- masklinn 3y agoThat assumes anyone understands the agi, especially after having put the agi through a few rounds of self improvement. But afaik we already can’t explain the specific behaviour of LLM, only their general B-road strokes.
- erewr4335543 3y ago"all intelligences are basically goal seeking machines no?" No, not really. They can just exist along you, think Da vinci or Einstein. They don't really tried to change their worlds, even having that capability. So humans could be just living along "a giant", or several of them, at any historical moment, even right now. And not really be aware of them at all. Artificial or not.