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> nobody is going to get fired (without getting the shit sued out of them) for deepfakes of them showing up The WaPo article cited that mentions the school tea

by abeppu 3y ago

> nobody is going to get fired (without getting the shit sued out of them) for deepfakes of them showing up The WaPo article cited that mentions the school teacher who was fired does _not_ mention any litigation. It seems like a failure to engage with the material if you're saying "no one is going to be impacted by humiliating deepfakes" in reporting that specifically mentions someone who was. Even if there was litigation, that puts a cost on the former employee which they may not be able to easily afford, and my understanding is that very specific criteria must be shown for most dismissed employees to get anything.

pessimizer 3y ago
The schoolteacher who was fired was fired in the past. I'm talking about the future. If I can make deepfakes of every teacher in the school, good luck firing one of them. ----- edit: I'll put it up as a service; the protection of women from misogynist school administrations. We've advanced beyond when women would be fired from teaching for getting married or becoming pregnant, but not much.
- abeppu 3y ago
  Most employees in the country are employed at will. The employer can fire them for almost any reason, or no reason. That reason may have nothing whatsoever to do with the employee's conduct. "There are rumors that you made amateur porn, and we believe that even this rumor may make parents uncomfortable, and also make it more difficult to maintain order in your classroom. Even if this rumor was fabricated about you in a malicious way, this may reflect that you have already attracted ire from at least some of the parents or pupils that we serve. Whether these rumors are true or not, we feel our academy is better off if we part ways." Public school teachers may have some protections on how they can be dismissed, but I think private school and charter school teachers typically have minimal protections. So long as the employer is open to firing a male employee for rumors of involvement in something reputation-decaying, they can at least make a plausible case that it's not matter of gender discrimination. Also, _all actual evidence is in the past_. You're trying to write yourself a permission slip to predict anything while ignoring all actual lived experience.
  - pessimizer 3y ago
    > Most employees in the country are employed at will. It's good that you understand the problem.
- JimtheCoder 3y ago
  "I'll put it up as a service; the protection of women from misogynist school administrations. We've advanced beyond when women would be fired from teaching for getting married or becoming pregnant, but not much." To be fair, we haven't heard of male teachers moonlighting as pornographers and getting fired for it. Until then, I would not call it misogynist... I'm joking, but not really at the same time...

by abeppu 3y ago

pessimizer 3y ago

The schoolteacher who was fired was fired in the past. I'm talking about the future. If I can make deepfakes of every teacher in the school, good luck firing one of them. ----- edit: I'll put it up as a service; the protection of women from misogynist school administrations. We've advanced beyond when women would be fired from teaching for getting married or becoming pregnant, but not much.

abeppu 3y ago
Most employees in the country are employed at will. The employer can fire them for almost any reason, or no reason. That reason may have nothing whatsoever to do with the employee's conduct. "There are rumors that you made amateur porn, and we believe that even this rumor may make parents uncomfortable, and also make it more difficult to maintain order in your classroom. Even if this rumor was fabricated about you in a malicious way, this may reflect that you have already attracted ire from at least some of the parents or pupils that we serve. Whether these rumors are true or not, we feel our academy is better off if we part ways." Public school teachers may have some protections on how they can be dismissed, but I think private school and charter school teachers typically have minimal protections. So long as the employer is open to firing a male employee for rumors of involvement in something reputation-decaying, they can at least make a plausible case that it's not matter of gender discrimination. Also, _all actual evidence is in the past_. You're trying to write yourself a permission slip to predict anything while ignoring all actual lived experience.
- pessimizer 3y ago
  > Most employees in the country are employed at will. It's good that you understand the problem.
JimtheCoder 3y ago
"I'll put it up as a service; the protection of women from misogynist school administrations. We've advanced beyond when women would be fired from teaching for getting married or becoming pregnant, but not much." To be fair, we haven't heard of male teachers moonlighting as pornographers and getting fired for it. Until then, I would not call it misogynist... I'm joking, but not really at the same time...