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As far as I can tell, the only thing in danger is employment in the porn industry. The only porn stars left will be the ones that are really just like any other

As far as I can tell, the only thing in danger is employment in the porn industry. The only porn stars left will be the ones that are really just like any other eCeleb living from panhandling from the parasocial. The "deepfake" armageddon that's been blathered on and on about is obviously horseshit. If people can make a deepfake of anybody in five minutes, nobody is going to get fired (without getting the shit sued out of them) for deepfakes of them showing up. Also no one is going to believe in the pictures, even if they are real. This is a blessing to the future victims of revenge porn, one that people whose photographs were spread around before the dawn of generative AI won't be treated to. This has always been a media panic to lay the groundwork for more censorship and more surveillance. We'll have to be licensed to run an algorithm if they have anything to do with it, and our models will require a Microsoft signing key.

resolutebat 3y ago
The friendly article describes a case where a small-town school teacher was, in fact, fired because of deepfaked images.
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  And now imagine a world where deepfake porn is ubiquitous. Does the teacher still get fired?
  - wmf 3y ago
    Yes actually, because the decisions are made by old people who don't learn.
    - smegger001 3y ago
      then the next day a new deepfake porn shows up of the people who had them fired sleeping with the person they fired
CamperBob2 3y ago
If people can make a deepfake of anybody in five minutes, nobody is going to get fired (without getting the shit sued out of them) for deepfakes of them showing up. Exactly. At some point people will just stop caring, which is the best of all possible outcomes.
- jrflowers 3y ago
  This is a good point. People are quick to worry about the real people that have been victims of this stuff and the people that will certainly be victimized by this stuff between now and an indeterminate point in the future, but we should really be thinking about the theoretical people that won’t be harmed in that possible future.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  This is beyond naïve. People get worked up about rumors of litter boxes in schools for students who are also furries: https://www.edweek.org/leadership/litter-boxes-in-schools-how-a-disruptive-and-demeaning-hoax-frustrated-school-leaders/2022/11 https://www.edweek.org/leadership/litter-boxes-in-schools-ho... It doesn't matter whether it's true or not. Many people will act as if it's true, either because they are fools or frauds. IF they don't get the result they want they'll claim the truth is being suppressed and demand inquiries and investigations. Regardless of the facts, such false claims will waste resources and cause personal reputational damage. We live in a country where weather forecasters get death threats for mentioning climate change, hospitals get bomb threats for treating kids with gender dysphoria, and librarians are condemned as agents of Satan. Relying on collective rationality and technical awareness is foolish. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/16/chris-gloninger-tv-weather-man-climate-crisis https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/16/chris-glonin... https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/us/boston-hospital-bomb-threat-gender-affirming-care/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/us/boston-hospital-bomb-threa... https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-01-27/school-librarians-vilified-as-the-arm-of-satan-in-book-banning-wars https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-01-27/school-lib...
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    All your points are valid, which is why I've come to believe the only answer is accelerationism.
abeppu 3y ago
> nobody is going to get fired (without getting the shit sued out of them) for deepfakes of them showing up The WaPo article cited that mentions the school teacher who was fired does _not_ mention any litigation. It seems like a failure to engage with the material if you're saying "no one is going to be impacted by humiliating deepfakes" in reporting that specifically mentions someone who was. Even if there was litigation, that puts a cost on the former employee which they may not be able to easily afford, and my understanding is that very specific criteria must be shown for most dismissed employees to get anything.
- pessimizer 3y ago
  The schoolteacher who was fired was fired in the past. I'm talking about the future. If I can make deepfakes of every teacher in the school, good luck firing one of them. ----- edit: I'll put it up as a service; the protection of women from misogynist school administrations. We've advanced beyond when women would be fired from teaching for getting married or becoming pregnant, but not much.
  - abeppu 3y ago
    Most employees in the country are employed at will. The employer can fire them for almost any reason, or no reason. That reason may have nothing whatsoever to do with the employee's conduct. "There are rumors that you made amateur porn, and we believe that even this rumor may make parents uncomfortable, and also make it more difficult to maintain order in your classroom. Even if this rumor was fabricated about you in a malicious way, this may reflect that you have already attracted ire from at least some of the parents or pupils that we serve. Whether these rumors are true or not, we feel our academy is better off if we part ways." Public school teachers may have some protections on how they can be dismissed, but I think private school and charter school teachers typically have minimal protections. So long as the employer is open to firing a male employee for rumors of involvement in something reputation-decaying, they can at least make a plausible case that it's not matter of gender discrimination. Also, _all actual evidence is in the past_. You're trying to write yourself a permission slip to predict anything while ignoring all actual lived experience.
nickthegreek 3y ago
The pornstar of the future will just be a body with celeb face swap. Waiting to see the how the legal shoe drops on this growing industry.
npteljes 3y ago
I feel the same. Tattoos, I think, have gone though a cultural perception change similar to what to deepfakes will happen. I don't expect deepfakes to be as accepted as tattoos are, but they won't pose a problem as many people will understand they are fake.

resolutebat 3y ago

The friendly article describes a case where a small-town school teacher was, in fact, fired because of deepfaked images.

CamperBob2 3y ago
And now imagine a world where deepfake porn is ubiquitous. Does the teacher still get fired?
- wmf 3y ago
  Yes actually, because the decisions are made by old people who don't learn.
  - smegger001 3y ago
    then the next day a new deepfake porn shows up of the people who had them fired sleeping with the person they fired

CamperBob2 3y ago

If people can make a deepfake of anybody in five minutes, nobody is going to get fired (without getting the shit sued out of them) for deepfakes of them showing up. Exactly. At some point people will just stop caring, which is the best of all possible outcomes.

jrflowers 3y ago
This is a good point. People are quick to worry about the real people that have been victims of this stuff and the people that will certainly be victimized by this stuff between now and an indeterminate point in the future, but we should really be thinking about the theoretical people that won’t be harmed in that possible future.
anigbrowl 3y ago
This is beyond naïve. People get worked up about rumors of litter boxes in schools for students who are also furries: https://www.edweek.org/leadership/litter-boxes-in-schools-how-a-disruptive-and-demeaning-hoax-frustrated-school-leaders/2022/11 https://www.edweek.org/leadership/litter-boxes-in-schools-ho... It doesn't matter whether it's true or not. Many people will act as if it's true, either because they are fools or frauds. IF they don't get the result they want they'll claim the truth is being suppressed and demand inquiries and investigations. Regardless of the facts, such false claims will waste resources and cause personal reputational damage. We live in a country where weather forecasters get death threats for mentioning climate change, hospitals get bomb threats for treating kids with gender dysphoria, and librarians are condemned as agents of Satan. Relying on collective rationality and technical awareness is foolish. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/16/chris-gloninger-tv-weather-man-climate-crisis https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/16/chris-glonin... https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/us/boston-hospital-bomb-threat-gender-affirming-care/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/us/boston-hospital-bomb-threa... https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-01-27/school-librarians-vilified-as-the-arm-of-satan-in-book-banning-wars https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-01-27/school-lib...
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  All your points are valid, which is why I've come to believe the only answer is accelerationism.

abeppu 3y ago

> nobody is going to get fired (without getting the shit sued out of them) for deepfakes of them showing up The WaPo article cited that mentions the school teacher who was fired does _not_ mention any litigation. It seems like a failure to engage with the material if you're saying "no one is going to be impacted by humiliating deepfakes" in reporting that specifically mentions someone who was. Even if there was litigation, that puts a cost on the former employee which they may not be able to easily afford, and my understanding is that very specific criteria must be shown for most dismissed employees to get anything.

pessimizer 3y ago
The schoolteacher who was fired was fired in the past. I'm talking about the future. If I can make deepfakes of every teacher in the school, good luck firing one of them. ----- edit: I'll put it up as a service; the protection of women from misogynist school administrations. We've advanced beyond when women would be fired from teaching for getting married or becoming pregnant, but not much.
- abeppu 3y ago
  Most employees in the country are employed at will. The employer can fire them for almost any reason, or no reason. That reason may have nothing whatsoever to do with the employee's conduct. "There are rumors that you made amateur porn, and we believe that even this rumor may make parents uncomfortable, and also make it more difficult to maintain order in your classroom. Even if this rumor was fabricated about you in a malicious way, this may reflect that you have already attracted ire from at least some of the parents or pupils that we serve. Whether these rumors are true or not, we feel our academy is better off if we part ways." Public school teachers may have some protections on how they can be dismissed, but I think private school and charter school teachers typically have minimal protections. So long as the employer is open to firing a male employee for rumors of involvement in something reputation-decaying, they can at least make a plausible case that it's not matter of gender discrimination. Also, _all actual evidence is in the past_. You're trying to write yourself a permission slip to predict anything while ignoring all actual lived experience.

nickthegreek 3y ago

The pornstar of the future will just be a body with celeb face swap. Waiting to see the how the legal shoe drops on this growing industry.

npteljes 3y ago

I feel the same. Tattoos, I think, have gone though a cultural perception change similar to what to deepfakes will happen. I don't expect deepfakes to be as accepted as tattoos are, but they won't pose a problem as many people will understand they are fake.