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Does this mean they're going to nag you to use the app or get rid of their web interface e all together? Is there any point in this beyond personal data spying?

ben_w 3y ago
Such cynicism. Look, if you don't like the app or the website, you can ask the LLM to write you a new one.
minimaxir 3y ago
Most normal people (the target market for these ChatGPT releases) do not use webapps or PWAs. The success of ChatGPT on iOS proves that.
- willsmith72 3y ago
  A web app is literally just a website, but otherwise true
koolba 3y ago
> Does this mean they're going to nag you to use the app or get rid of their web interface e all together? This is OpenAI. Not Reddit. > Is there any point in this beyond personal data spying? Alternatively, this would limit the eyes on your inputs / outputs to just OpenAI instead of them and N random app vendors.
- blibble 3y ago
  > This is OpenAI. Not Reddit. Altman was on the reddit board for a long time until relatively recently
  - heartbreak 3y ago
    He ran this place too and we still have a mostly-serviceable web interface. And no app.
    - blibble 3y ago
      this place has a very specific purpose and audience and it would never be expected to cover its costs (let alone make a profit) completely different to reddit
      - version_five 3y ago
        It will be interesting to see what happens to HN in the long run. I hope it's shut down and archived if it no longer serves it's purpose as opposed to either being left to decline or shamelessly monetized like what happened to slashdot.
thewataccount 3y ago
Are we suddenly against native mobile apps altogether? I get the cynicism with apps like threads, being mobile-app only. But OpenAI's business model is selling API access to a LLM - chatGPT is just a basic consumer front end. They've given no indication that they would want to deprecate the very actively developed web front end - and I see no motivation for them to do that. Unlike social media platforms - OpenAI doesn't need to control the consumer UI - they make money either way. Alternative UI's and adblockers aren't a threat to them. They also don't have "engagement stats" to worry about. I'm just saying we shouldn't get pitch forks out just yet, "native app" is often a selling point.
- webstrand 3y ago
  > Are we suddenly against native mobile apps altogether? Yeah, pretty much. The privacy controls on Android, at least, are very poor and you leak tons of private data to native apps that doesn't leak to web apps.
- joshmn 3y ago
  > Are we suddenly against native mobile apps altogether? I personally am only against apps that give me zero utility or value over what a website can do. If I want to add you to my home screen, I will; if I care enough I'll certainly remember the website.
  - cglong 3y ago
    I too would've preferred a PWA, but in its absence, at least now I'll have easy access from my apps list.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Well, on my iPhone being able to activate Siri and saying “Ask ChatGPT” is utility.
- version_five 3y ago
  I'm not saying and app shouldn't exist, I couldn't care less. I'm concerned based on a precedent that I've seen of either harassing or forcing users onto an app as I personally don't want to use one nor be constantly dismissing modal windows telling me how much better it is.
ape4 3y ago
My first thought too. Its not going to do any LLM computing on your phone/tablet.
yreg 3y ago
Don't know what's the Android experience, but on iOS the app is much more comfortable/usable than the website. Keeps you logged in, copy&paste is better, doesn't close the session with no way to continue the current completion when you lock your phone, etc.
- wenc 3y ago
  I prefer the iOS app to the website too. Plus you can use Siri to Ask ChatGPT stuff. Can’t do this through the web interface. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7993358-chatgpt-ios-app-siri-and-shortcuts https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7993358-chatgpt-ios-app-...
  - yreg 3y ago
    As a non-native speaker this shortcut has been driving me insane for the past half of a day. I forgot how absolutely useless Siri's speech recognition is for me. When I talk to ChatGPT in the app (using Whisper) it understands 100%. But Siri transcribes pretty much every single query wrong. ChatGPT shows superhuman level of understanding the messed up queries to even respond with anything coherent. Shame that the app doesn't read the completions back to you. There are probably alternative frontends that do that, I will look for them. It would be very useful when driving/cooking/etc. Sorry for the rant :D
- gunapologist99 3y ago
  Says more about the website than about the app.
  - yreg 3y ago
    In the end that can be said about almost any app. I for one like installing and using native apps of services I use often. But if you prefer to do everything in the browser that's fine as well.
- tunesmith 3y ago
  You can also search your own chat history on iOS. I don't see how to do that on the website.
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notatoad 3y ago
Just like the iOS app, i think the only point here is that the app stores are terrible at filtering out imitators or fraudulent apps so if your product is as popular as ChatGPT is, unless you make a first-party mobile app then all the users searching for you in the app store will be finding and installing some other scammy apps that claim to be your product. their customers expect an app. not having one is a risk.

ben_w 3y ago

Such cynicism. Look, if you don't like the app or the website, you can ask the LLM to write you a new one.

minimaxir 3y ago

Most normal people (the target market for these ChatGPT releases) do not use webapps or PWAs. The success of ChatGPT on iOS proves that.

willsmith72 3y ago
A web app is literally just a website, but otherwise true

koolba 3y ago

> Does this mean they're going to nag you to use the app or get rid of their web interface e all together? This is OpenAI. Not Reddit. > Is there any point in this beyond personal data spying? Alternatively, this would limit the eyes on your inputs / outputs to just OpenAI instead of them and N random app vendors.

blibble 3y ago
> This is OpenAI. Not Reddit. Altman was on the reddit board for a long time until relatively recently
- heartbreak 3y ago
  He ran this place too and we still have a mostly-serviceable web interface. And no app.
  - blibble 3y ago
    this place has a very specific purpose and audience and it would never be expected to cover its costs (let alone make a profit) completely different to reddit
    - version_five 3y ago
      It will be interesting to see what happens to HN in the long run. I hope it's shut down and archived if it no longer serves it's purpose as opposed to either being left to decline or shamelessly monetized like what happened to slashdot.

thewataccount 3y ago

Are we suddenly against native mobile apps altogether? I get the cynicism with apps like threads, being mobile-app only. But OpenAI's business model is selling API access to a LLM - chatGPT is just a basic consumer front end. They've given no indication that they would want to deprecate the very actively developed web front end - and I see no motivation for them to do that. Unlike social media platforms - OpenAI doesn't need to control the consumer UI - they make money either way. Alternative UI's and adblockers aren't a threat to them. They also don't have "engagement stats" to worry about. I'm just saying we shouldn't get pitch forks out just yet, "native app" is often a selling point.

webstrand 3y ago
> Are we suddenly against native mobile apps altogether? Yeah, pretty much. The privacy controls on Android, at least, are very poor and you leak tons of private data to native apps that doesn't leak to web apps.
joshmn 3y ago
> Are we suddenly against native mobile apps altogether? I personally am only against apps that give me zero utility or value over what a website can do. If I want to add you to my home screen, I will; if I care enough I'll certainly remember the website.
- cglong 3y ago
  I too would've preferred a PWA, but in its absence, at least now I'll have easy access from my apps list.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Well, on my iPhone being able to activate Siri and saying “Ask ChatGPT” is utility.
version_five 3y ago
I'm not saying and app shouldn't exist, I couldn't care less. I'm concerned based on a precedent that I've seen of either harassing or forcing users onto an app as I personally don't want to use one nor be constantly dismissing modal windows telling me how much better it is.

ape4 3y ago

My first thought too. Its not going to do any LLM computing on your phone/tablet.

yreg 3y ago

Don't know what's the Android experience, but on iOS the app is much more comfortable/usable than the website. Keeps you logged in, copy&paste is better, doesn't close the session with no way to continue the current completion when you lock your phone, etc.

wenc 3y ago
I prefer the iOS app to the website too. Plus you can use Siri to Ask ChatGPT stuff. Can’t do this through the web interface. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7993358-chatgpt-ios-app-siri-and-shortcuts https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7993358-chatgpt-ios-app-...
- yreg 3y ago
  As a non-native speaker this shortcut has been driving me insane for the past half of a day. I forgot how absolutely useless Siri's speech recognition is for me. When I talk to ChatGPT in the app (using Whisper) it understands 100%. But Siri transcribes pretty much every single query wrong. ChatGPT shows superhuman level of understanding the messed up queries to even respond with anything coherent. Shame that the app doesn't read the completions back to you. There are probably alternative frontends that do that, I will look for them. It would be very useful when driving/cooking/etc. Sorry for the rant :D
gunapologist99 3y ago
Says more about the website than about the app.
- yreg 3y ago
  In the end that can be said about almost any app. I for one like installing and using native apps of services I use often. But if you prefer to do everything in the browser that's fine as well.
tunesmith 3y ago
You can also search your own chat history on iOS. I don't see how to do that on the website.

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notatoad 3y ago

Just like the iOS app, i think the only point here is that the app stores are terrible at filtering out imitators or fraudulent apps so if your product is as popular as ChatGPT is, unless you make a first-party mobile app then all the users searching for you in the app store will be finding and installing some other scammy apps that claim to be your product. their customers expect an app. not having one is a risk.