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I doubt Apple will be our savior here. Apple is in a great position to implement this spec: their secure enclave and the systems they've developed around it are

by drbawb 3y ago

I doubt Apple will be our savior here. Apple is in a great position to implement this spec: their secure enclave and the systems they've developed around it are practically the state of the art. Also Apple is in bed w/ traditional media. (Apple News, Apple TV, iTunes, etc.) Microsoft has been doing the same[1] for years w/ Pluton on the Xbox to protect their IP. Google has been doing this on Android using, dm-verity, SafetyNet, et al. Nintendo employs similar protections on the Switch with moderate success. (After the bootrom of the initial HAC-001 was patched on the production floor the only real option to attack a modern Switch is physically glitching the console.) I suppose Apple may object on the grounds of being a "privacy focused" company, but I'll believe that when I see it. I'm not gonna sit here holding my breath for these megacorps to do the right thing. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo

aledalgrande 3y ago
> Also Apple is in bed w/ traditional media. True. Try to screenshot anything from Apple TV+ content. You'll get a black image.
- serialbus 3y ago
  Screenshotting Apple TV+ works fine for me on desktop Chrome, even with hardware acceleration enabled. I don't recall doing anything to circumvent normal behavior (not really in the habit of screenshotting things I'm watching).
  - Mindwipe 3y ago
    That's why desktop chrome is served lower resolution content than, say, Safari, where they can block it.
  - h4x0rr 3y ago
    Interesting because screenshoting Netflix does not work on chrome
- sneak 3y ago
  It works fine in VLC with ATV content I have torrented. If you subscribe to Apple TV, you are literally voting with your dollars for more of this crap. Stop giving them money!
  - deleted 3y ago
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skissane 3y ago
> I doubt Apple will be our savior here. Apple is in a great position to implement this spec: their secure enclave and the systems they've developed around it are practically the state of the art. You are probably right, but there is one self-interested reason why Apple might resist implementing this - Apple doesn’t like the web competing with apps, and this is basically giving the web a capability that right now only apps (effectively) have.
- jkrubin 3y ago
  Excellent point.
- alwillis 3y ago
  > Apple doesn’t like the web competing with apps Perhaps you haven’t been paying attention but macOS Sonoma—currently in beta, shipping this fall—has the best web app support we’ve seen in a mainstream operating system. You can put a web app on the Dock using the Finder’s “Save to Dock” command for virtually any website or web app. Not only do you get service workers, push notification, web app manifest support, etc. web apps have first class support in the Finder, Spotlight, Spaces, Mission Control, etc. [1]. [1]: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10120/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10120/
cube00 3y ago
> I doubt Apple will be our savior here. You only have to look at how they're (still) restricting PWAs to see they also have their own goals to preserve their walled garden and market share (as they should, it's a publicly listed company, but it's not the same as an open source alternative)
alwillis 3y ago
Apple is really the only party in a position to be a savior. For example, they threaten to remove FaceTime and iMessage from UK iPhones if the government there changes the law on encryption [1]. [1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/20/apple-threatens-to-pull-facetime-and-imessage-uk/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/20/apple-threatens-to-pull...
- h4x0rr 3y ago
  Yet they removed apps from the taiwanese app store in Chinas interest

by drbawb 3y ago

aledalgrande 3y ago

> Also Apple is in bed w/ traditional media. True. Try to screenshot anything from Apple TV+ content. You'll get a black image.

serialbus 3y ago
Screenshotting Apple TV+ works fine for me on desktop Chrome, even with hardware acceleration enabled. I don't recall doing anything to circumvent normal behavior (not really in the habit of screenshotting things I'm watching).
- Mindwipe 3y ago
  That's why desktop chrome is served lower resolution content than, say, Safari, where they can block it.
- h4x0rr 3y ago
  Interesting because screenshoting Netflix does not work on chrome
sneak 3y ago
It works fine in VLC with ATV content I have torrented. If you subscribe to Apple TV, you are literally voting with your dollars for more of this crap. Stop giving them money!
- deleted 3y ago
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skissane 3y ago

> I doubt Apple will be our savior here. Apple is in a great position to implement this spec: their secure enclave and the systems they've developed around it are practically the state of the art. You are probably right, but there is one self-interested reason why Apple might resist implementing this - Apple doesn’t like the web competing with apps, and this is basically giving the web a capability that right now only apps (effectively) have.

jkrubin 3y ago
Excellent point.
alwillis 3y ago
> Apple doesn’t like the web competing with apps Perhaps you haven’t been paying attention but macOS Sonoma—currently in beta, shipping this fall—has the best web app support we’ve seen in a mainstream operating system. You can put a web app on the Dock using the Finder’s “Save to Dock” command for virtually any website or web app. Not only do you get service workers, push notification, web app manifest support, etc. web apps have first class support in the Finder, Spotlight, Spaces, Mission Control, etc. [1]. [1]: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10120/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10120/

cube00 3y ago

> I doubt Apple will be our savior here. You only have to look at how they're (still) restricting PWAs to see they also have their own goals to preserve their walled garden and market share (as they should, it's a publicly listed company, but it's not the same as an open source alternative)

alwillis 3y ago

Apple is really the only party in a position to be a savior. For example, they threaten to remove FaceTime and iMessage from UK iPhones if the government there changes the law on encryption [1]. [1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/20/apple-threatens-to-pull-facetime-and-imessage-uk/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/20/apple-threatens-to-pull...

h4x0rr 3y ago
Yet they removed apps from the taiwanese app store in Chinas interest