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Yes. The solution is very simple: uninstall Chrome and Chromium. We are the people with the most influence on the tech. We are prescriptors. We are legion. –

by ploum 3y ago

Yes. The solution is very simple: uninstall Chrome and Chromium. We are the people with the most influence on the tech. We are prescriptors. We are legion. – Yes but Chrome is a tad faster and I have my bookmarks and my favorites extension and blablablabla… — Then you are the root cause of the problem. If you are not ready to sacrifice an ounce of comfort to save the web, then you are the one killing the web. Simple: install Firefox. Now. (oh, and, by the way, also removes google analytics and all google trackers from the websites under your control. That’s surprizingly easy to do and a huge blow in Google monopoly. There are plenty of alternatives)

pmlnr 3y ago
> There are plenty of alternatives Yeah, not for long. Go back and read the proposed changes.
- Buttons840 3y ago
  Please explain what you mean. It sounds like you have an important point that can only be found if people sit and carefully read several pages. Important points deserve to be stated more plainly.
  - saurik 3y ago
    The entire point of this spec is that your alternative browser wouldn't be able to attest to its "integrity" unless it was exactly as locked down as the other ones. If you have some kind of rebuttal to the shared context we all otherwise have, maybe you should be the one forced to state it more plainly.
    - Buttons840 3y ago
      Okay, so you're not saying that we're going to lose the ability to use another browser, just that the other browsers might not be good for much. I think the comment you originally replied to is trying to say "use the other browsers, even if they are not good for much".
- caddy 3y ago
  For google analytics and the like there are a lot of alternatives to be fair, I've started using Simple Analytics on all my sites.
Dalewyn 3y ago
>Simple: install Firefox. Now. No.
eastbound 3y ago
> The solution is very simple: uninstall Chrome and Chromium. No. Firefox, beyond being slower, also keeps constantly displaying ads… for itself. Want to open a new tab? “Big Browser cares about your privacy, read how!” I just want to open a new tab!!! I’m working! Restarting? “Discover what’s new with Firefox”, “Hohoho, we care about your privacy, LOOK HOW MUCH WE CARE! ALSO WE HAVE NO ADS!” Worse, they suggest to solve privacy that I use Mozilla VPN. VPNs don’t solve privacy. Also, it’s a paid ad for a paid product. Mozilla had also a staunch political slant, going as far as firing a CEO for a donation he made to the opposing group years ago. There is nothing neutral here, if you are not a leftist, it’s dangerous to use or even give your participation to that ecosystem. Mozilla has failed to become the no-ads, better-ethics, privacy-aware navigator (pun intended). They keep performing worse actions than Google all the time.
- notpushkin 3y ago
  https://waterfox.net/ https://waterfox.net/ to the rescue.
  - turquoisevar 3y ago
    Surely you don't mean Waterfox that states in their FAQ[0]: "Who owns Waterfox?" "System1 now own Waterfox, but Alex Kontos is still leading the direction of Waterfox and will be for the foreseeable future." And who's owner, System1, states at the top of their page[1]: "System1 operates the most dynamic Responsive Acquisition Marketing Platform Connecting high intent customers with advertisers at scale" [0]: https://www.waterfox.net/docs/faq#5-who-owns-waterfox https://www.waterfox.net/docs/faq#5-who-owns-waterfox [1]: https://system1.com https://system1.com
    - willywanker 3y ago
      Get with the times, Waterfox is independent of System 1 now. https://www.waterfox.net/blog/2023/07/03/a-new-chapter-for-waterfox/ https://www.waterfox.net/blog/2023/07/03/a-new-chapter-for-w...
    - notpushkin 3y ago

by ploum 3y ago

pmlnr 3y ago

> There are plenty of alternatives Yeah, not for long. Go back and read the proposed changes.

Buttons840 3y ago
Please explain what you mean. It sounds like you have an important point that can only be found if people sit and carefully read several pages. Important points deserve to be stated more plainly.
- saurik 3y ago
  The entire point of this spec is that your alternative browser wouldn't be able to attest to its "integrity" unless it was exactly as locked down as the other ones. If you have some kind of rebuttal to the shared context we all otherwise have, maybe you should be the one forced to state it more plainly.
  - Buttons840 3y ago
    Okay, so you're not saying that we're going to lose the ability to use another browser, just that the other browsers might not be good for much. I think the comment you originally replied to is trying to say "use the other browsers, even if they are not good for much".
caddy 3y ago
For google analytics and the like there are a lot of alternatives to be fair, I've started using Simple Analytics on all my sites.

Dalewyn 3y ago

>Simple: install Firefox. Now. No.

eastbound 3y ago

> The solution is very simple: uninstall Chrome and Chromium. No. Firefox, beyond being slower, also keeps constantly displaying ads… for itself. Want to open a new tab? “Big Browser cares about your privacy, read how!” I just want to open a new tab!!! I’m working! Restarting? “Discover what’s new with Firefox”, “Hohoho, we care about your privacy, LOOK HOW MUCH WE CARE! ALSO WE HAVE NO ADS!” Worse, they suggest to solve privacy that I use Mozilla VPN. VPNs don’t solve privacy. Also, it’s a paid ad for a paid product. Mozilla had also a staunch political slant, going as far as firing a CEO for a donation he made to the opposing group years ago. There is nothing neutral here, if you are not a leftist, it’s dangerous to use or even give your participation to that ecosystem. Mozilla has failed to become the no-ads, better-ethics, privacy-aware navigator (pun intended). They keep performing worse actions than Google all the time.

notpushkin 3y ago
https://waterfox.net/ https://waterfox.net/ to the rescue.
- turquoisevar 3y ago
  Surely you don't mean Waterfox that states in their FAQ[0]: "Who owns Waterfox?" "System1 now own Waterfox, but Alex Kontos is still leading the direction of Waterfox and will be for the foreseeable future." And who's owner, System1, states at the top of their page[1]: "System1 operates the most dynamic Responsive Acquisition Marketing Platform Connecting high intent customers with advertisers at scale" [0]: https://www.waterfox.net/docs/faq#5-who-owns-waterfox https://www.waterfox.net/docs/faq#5-who-owns-waterfox [1]: https://system1.com https://system1.com
  - willywanker 3y ago
    Get with the times, Waterfox is independent of System 1 now. https://www.waterfox.net/blog/2023/07/03/a-new-chapter-for-waterfox/ https://www.waterfox.net/blog/2023/07/03/a-new-chapter-for-w...
  - notpushkin 3y ago