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Using ccTLDs when you have no relationship with the country is just asking for trouble. Comes across as naive and unprofessional, although I've seen many seriou
by NewJazz 3y ago
Using ccTLDs when you have no relationship with the country is just asking for trouble. Comes across as naive and unprofessional, although I've seen many serious infrastructure built upon .co and .io names.
- Storm-Bringer 3y agoOr .me like Proton Mail (pm.me)…
- rvnx 3y agoSays a lot when you had to make a choice between a beautiful domain name, or having to trust the government of Montenegro for all your lifetime for a super sensitive e-mail service. At least Montenegro is managing their own ccTLD, not like some mysterious islands (.io, .pw, etc).
- qingcharles 3y agoBut Montenegro has had hundreds of years of sovereign instability, i.e. it has been swallowed several times by other entities. I guess it was on .yu until the 21st century. It's probably stable for now, but nothing to say it won't get swallowed again and lose its TLD.
- ericpauley 3y agoMontenegro is part of NATO. I would argue that mitigates the instability issue.
- DropInIn 3y agoIf we're going back hundreds of years then there's no ccTLD that is worthy, not the US not any commonwealth nation, nowhere....
- neilv 3y agoMailfence.com offers `mf.me`. Mailfence could go even further by offering email addresses under `@ba.mf.me`. If someone secured the `.mf` ccTLD, they could grab other Pulp Fiction fans who want to be `<name>@bad.mf`.
- mkl 3y ago.mf seems to be half of a tiny Caribbean island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Martin_(island) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Martin_(island)
- asyx 3y agoI actually didn't know that .me was a cctld so now I have surname.me and am kinda worried. I also own surname.dev but I'm not sure if my wife would like to change email addresses...
- riffic 3y agoThe misuse (off-label use perhaps, to use a term from medicine) of ccTLDs in the tech industry is a widespread practice and I doubt anyone's going to change anytime soon.
- DANmode 3y agoLike seeing someone's social media post of their breakfast, I'm happy these signals exist.
- paulgb 3y agoI've heard enough horror stories lately (including[1]) that I'm considering moving a container registry off of a cctld. Container registries for whatever reason use .io by convention (docker.io, gcr.io, ghcr.io) so our public-facing registry does too, but I've been thinking that it's not worth the risk. .io is probably safer than most just because of how load-bearing it's become, though. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bg9XUEM82E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bg9XUEM82E
- slowmovintarget 3y agoThe Wikipedia entry on the .io TLD is interesting [1]. The .io TLD is assigned to the British Indian Ocean Territories, and there's currently an ongoing international legal dispute over whether the territories even exist, or they just belong to Mauritius. If the U.N. "wins" the .io domain would be slated for removal (technically). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io
- bshipp 3y agoI can't imagine .io would ever be removed. if anything, it'll be categorized like .org or .com if it loses its geographic justification.
- valianteffort 3y agoBut aren't two letter TLD's reserved for country codes?
- mc32 3y agoWhen Libya was in turmoil years ago this issue came up. Looks like people forget.
- sitzkrieg 3y agoof course. techbros been doing circles on all sorts of stuff
- sebmellen 3y agoI think this remains the biggest long-term risk with using bit.ly links. I have seen so much hard copy media with bit.ly links, especially technical books, that I shudder to think of how many dead links there will be if Lybia takes it offline.
- DANmode 3y agoThey will almost certainly not be dead, in the event of...uh...an event...like were discussing.
- DANmode 3y agowe're*
- ehPReth 3y agothere’s 301works.org at least
- starttoaster 3y agoThe biggest long term risk with bit.ly links is that you have no clue what website you’re visiting when you click on one, period. You’re either taking the time to put it through a link unshortener, or you just blindly click a link some person you don’t know posted on their totally legit web blog.
- jrmg 3y agoIt was never actually more than a theoretical problem then though, right? The .ly domain remained (and remains) stable and functioning IIRC.
- SpecialistK 3y agoEspecially when they're using .ml to refer to "Marxist-Leninist"...
- FireInsight 3y agoThat's lemmygrad and possibly lemmy.ml, I think fmhy.ml (the site in question) used it since it's free.
- croes 3y agoHow would the trouble be different if you are a citizen of the country?
- paulgb 3y agoThe rule could probably be generalized to not building a business on a ccTLD, but there are instances where being unconnected to the country could directly be a problem. For example, .so (Somalia) domains have become popular as a generic ccTLD (because "so" is a generic English word, I guess?) used by companies like Notion, but technically it is against their terms to own one if you don't have a bona fine connection to Somalia. (Policy: https://sonic.so/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/dotso-domain-name-registration-policies_v1.1_2.pdf https://sonic.so/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/dotso-domain-nam...)
- slim 3y agoyou would be protected by laws. as a foreigner you have basically no rights
- menus 3y agoI don't understand how it's naive and unprofessional? twitch.tv, goo.gl, youtu.be, etc. is the tip of the iceberg. Twitch and Google probably are unlikely to have bases in Tuvalu and Greenland respectively.
- tough 3y agotwitch.com -> twitch.tv redirect goo.gl is a link shortener like youtu.be aint it? I dunno, It's just asking for trouble needlessly
- reaperducer 3y agoTwitch and Google probably are unlikely to have bases in Tuvalu and Greenland respectively. And bit.ly probably isn't working out of Lybia.
- CameronNemo 3y agoAmazon and Google may not have bases in those countries, but they have a lot more weight than the typical company or individual. Hitching your wagon to their success seems unwise. They won't make sure you make it to the end Just buy a gTLD domain. You probably don't even need a separate domain for your link shortener...
- qingcharles 3y agoAmazon and Google can probably buy off some of these Third World dictatorships to ensure ongoing use of the TLDs. (or pay for a coup)
- dylan604 3y agoi wonder how small the number of people that actually understand what ccTLD means in the first place, let alone how geopolitical turmoil could negatively impact their cute little domain name.
- tough 3y agolmao as a holder of a .me domain hope montenegro is fine
- JimBlackwood 3y agoI don’t understand and have been going through the comments in hope for an explanation.
- vel0city 3y agoEvery country that the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) recognizes gets a two letter country-code top level domain (ccTLD). These are all two letter domains, as country codes are two letters. Some of these are kind of boring (.us or .ru or .pl) but some of these can be interesting (.tv for the nation of Tuvalu, .io for the British Indian Ocean Territories, .in for India). Sometimes countries will lease the management rights for a ccTLD to a private company to manage for a while, as most governments are either incompetent at managing these things or have more important things to care about. Theoretically each country can change the rules of their country code at any time. These rules can be rather arbitrary and can technically happen whenever. As an example of a rule, the .us domain is only available to US entities. Also, if the country ceases to be, there's a chance the ccTLD will go away, because that country doesn't exist. Hence the fear with .io, as the Indian Ocean Territories as a political unit may not last very long or .tv as the islands wash away and disappear with rising sea levels. As others have mentioned, IANA isn't always fast at removing old ccTLDs. The .su domain for the Soviet Union still exists.
- Ekaros 3y agoMost recent example I think was .eu and UK leaving European Union... And that was orderly process. ccTLDs are entirely fine if you live or your business operates in the country in question. Outside that it is entirely up to them to do what they want.
- WeylandYutani 3y agoProbably thought they could get away with it since it's a poor African country.
- stickfigure 3y agoAlso, the organizations that run the nameservers are not necessarily as competent as the ones running .com. I had an 8 hour outage when the entire .st domain went offline. My blog entry about it from 10 years ago: https://github.com/stickfigure/blog/wiki/Beware-cutesy-two-letter-TLDs-for-your-domain-name https://github.com/stickfigure/blog/wiki/Beware-cutesy-two-l...