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"if you set off a rube goldberg type death trap to kill someone, if its a long enough machine, it ceases to become your fault if somebody dies at the end."

_Algernon_ 3y ago
"If you want something to sound profound, put it between quotation marks"
- fluoridation 3y ago
  Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
  - plonk 3y ago
    Yeah Latin works too.
- itsanaccount 3y ago
  if it would help that i would be more direct for you, i mean to say i think those who both knew and continued to make extreme profits off of oil extraction at the expense of a planets worth of people should be considered murderers. and lacking judicial means for justice due to those same murderers control of most governments, i predict they will probably be executed by small vigilante groups in the middle of the night, though mobs with torches and pitchforks are also a possibility. but that kind of statement and that rising sentiment behind it is generally scrubbed off the internet. who knows why, maybe its not profound enough.
rootusrootus 3y ago
Not a great analogy. It doesn't matter how big the rube goldberg machine is if there was only one input to begin with, it would still trace back to that input. The problem with climate is that there are billions of inputs spanning centuries. Trying to assign blame is a waste of time anyway, time that we don't have.
- yamazakiwi 3y ago
  It's a great analogy for what they were pointing out. The point is not that these issues are traceable and thus inarguably someone's fault. The point is many times people don't have to take responsibility for these issues because they are indirect. The more indirect (the larger the Rube Goldberg Machine) the higher chance of avoiding responsibility.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    Then perhaps we need to reframe the issue from one of "taking responsibility" to one of "this is what we need to change in order to survive".
    - yamazakiwi 3y ago
      That's a much harder problem :)

_Algernon_ 3y ago

"If you want something to sound profound, put it between quotation marks"

fluoridation 3y ago
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
- plonk 3y ago
  Yeah Latin works too.
itsanaccount 3y ago
if it would help that i would be more direct for you, i mean to say i think those who both knew and continued to make extreme profits off of oil extraction at the expense of a planets worth of people should be considered murderers. and lacking judicial means for justice due to those same murderers control of most governments, i predict they will probably be executed by small vigilante groups in the middle of the night, though mobs with torches and pitchforks are also a possibility. but that kind of statement and that rising sentiment behind it is generally scrubbed off the internet. who knows why, maybe its not profound enough.

rootusrootus 3y ago

Not a great analogy. It doesn't matter how big the rube goldberg machine is if there was only one input to begin with, it would still trace back to that input. The problem with climate is that there are billions of inputs spanning centuries. Trying to assign blame is a waste of time anyway, time that we don't have.

yamazakiwi 3y ago
It's a great analogy for what they were pointing out. The point is not that these issues are traceable and thus inarguably someone's fault. The point is many times people don't have to take responsibility for these issues because they are indirect. The more indirect (the larger the Rube Goldberg Machine) the higher chance of avoiding responsibility.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Then perhaps we need to reframe the issue from one of "taking responsibility" to one of "this is what we need to change in order to survive".
  - yamazakiwi 3y ago
    That's a much harder problem :)