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> A judgment of fair payment is up to the employee and the employer not the nation as a whole. Only true when it's two people of similar wealth and circumstanc

• tastyfreeze 3y ago
  If a farmer doesn't harvest they don't get paid, ignoring crop insurance. The farmer literally has no choice but to hire employees to help harvest. The employees in this scenario have all the leverage. But, they can only negotiate their wage up to a point where the farmer's livelihood is sacrificed. Its not like farmers are making orders of magnitude more than the people they employ to help harvest. This isn't the proletariat vs the bourgeoisie. This is people, all technically proletariat, making an arrangement that they all benefit from (free market dynamics).
  • bamfly 3y ago
    You are ignoring a lot about the situation of the workers, to reach these conclusions, and implying that they have so much leverage they're able to capture all the value of their labor: > The employees in this scenario have all the leverage. But, they can only negotiate their wage up to a point where the farmer's livelihood is sacrificed —save a tiny sliver that the farm owner is lucky to manage to get. And this: > Its not like farmers are making orders of magnitude more than the people they employ to help harvest Consider the immense capital value required to have a farm of large enough scale to even halfway succeed in 2023. Some extremely poor decisions have been made if they're really not making a lot more than a migrant worker on their farm. This is... fantasy-land topsy-turvy-world stuff. You might have a point if the laborers were bargaining as a bloc, had captured ~all the available labor into that bloc, and had a substantial cash reserve for strike-pay. Short of that, this is all totally backwards.
    • tastyfreeze 3y ago
      Large capital requirement doesn't mean large profitability for the farmer. You are making at least as many assumptions as I am. What I don't understand is why you would assume that a person that says they prefer the 70 hour week with no overtime doesn't know what is best for themselves. They kept coming back to harvest for Schreiber for decades. People don't do that if they are treated unfairly. From the article Mendoza was taking home up to $1,400 a week for the 6-8 week harvest period ($8,400 - $11,200). I would say that is not bad for 2 months work.
      • DropInIn 3y ago
        If you aren't beating a savings account with your business then you shouldn't be in business, that simple. From that, anyone running a multimillion a dollar a year farm should be doing very well or they should give up and let the market work properly instead of suckling on the teat of government. And yes, that means higher food prices. Every single person refusing to pay fair prices is the problem, and that's darn near everyone.
• frumper 3y ago
  Most employees don’t negotiate on equal terms with their employers in any industry anywhere in the world, yet some people are happy with their wages and workload.