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Do the employees agree it's fair or are they desperate, in a survival mentality, and they take whatever they can get? It's far-fetched to think a farm worker i

Do the employees agree it's fair or are they desperate, in a survival mentality, and they take whatever they can get? It's far-fetched to think a farm worker is going to ascend to a higher income. There is no ladder when you're making less than subsistence.

tastyfreeze 3y ago
Does it matter which it is? They agreed to do the job for the compensation that was offered because it was better than something else. This nation was built by immigrants that came here with nothing and worked their asses off to improve their family circumstance. How many generations ago did your family move here? How did the first US generation of your family work and live? Where is your family now? That path has to remain open. Labor laws handed down from on high have been progressively making it more difficult to start from nothing and become something. Like many in the country, my great grandparents moved to the US with essentially nothing, not speaking much, if any, English. They worked as farmers with lots of children to get the work done. Nobody in my family are currently farmers. Many in my current family generation work high paying jobs, many don't. I am not saying that farming is a bad job. It is necessary. Just illustrating that the possibility, not guarantee, of upward mobility is what makes this country great.
- kennywinker 3y ago
  You’re describing a pyramid scheme.
  - tastyfreeze 3y ago
    No I am describing the growth of wealth and improvement of society over time. The pie isn't a fixed size. It grows with how much we produce. The more we produce the more there is to go around. Consuming more than we produce shrinks the pie. There will always be people at the top and people at the bottom of any specific hierarchy. It is not possible to shape a society where all are equal in all ways. There is too much variability in human personality and ability for that to ever be possible. The best we can do is make it possible for all to achieve what their ambition and ability allow while preventing anybody from stopping others from doing the same. We have that now.
    - kennywinker 3y ago
      I’m not asking for total equality. But the premise that people need to live in poverty and work their life away in increments of 70 hour weeks at a time all so my asparagus is $4/lb not $5/lb, is disgusting. And the premise that we need them to suffer in poverty because their kids might have a shot at a life just above poverty, doesn’t make it better. We have enough wealth that nobody has to work 70hrs/week. Yet we insist on imposing that, for fear of making our wealthiest slightly less wealthy.
      - tastyfreeze 3y ago
        You seem angry. It also sounds like you have never worked seasonal work. I believe you have made a critical error assuming this is the only work they have. They are being paid well for the job compared to other listings. When that job is done they move on to another. You are also assuming that they are suffering. What do you base this assumption on? Seasonal workers I have met and talked to are generally happy, easy going people. They are not being exploited that is something you read that isn't there.

tastyfreeze 3y ago

Does it matter which it is? They agreed to do the job for the compensation that was offered because it was better than something else. This nation was built by immigrants that came here with nothing and worked their asses off to improve their family circumstance. How many generations ago did your family move here? How did the first US generation of your family work and live? Where is your family now? That path has to remain open. Labor laws handed down from on high have been progressively making it more difficult to start from nothing and become something. Like many in the country, my great grandparents moved to the US with essentially nothing, not speaking much, if any, English. They worked as farmers with lots of children to get the work done. Nobody in my family are currently farmers. Many in my current family generation work high paying jobs, many don't. I am not saying that farming is a bad job. It is necessary. Just illustrating that the possibility, not guarantee, of upward mobility is what makes this country great.

kennywinker 3y ago
You’re describing a pyramid scheme.
- tastyfreeze 3y ago
  No I am describing the growth of wealth and improvement of society over time. The pie isn't a fixed size. It grows with how much we produce. The more we produce the more there is to go around. Consuming more than we produce shrinks the pie. There will always be people at the top and people at the bottom of any specific hierarchy. It is not possible to shape a society where all are equal in all ways. There is too much variability in human personality and ability for that to ever be possible. The best we can do is make it possible for all to achieve what their ambition and ability allow while preventing anybody from stopping others from doing the same. We have that now.
  - kennywinker 3y ago
    I’m not asking for total equality. But the premise that people need to live in poverty and work their life away in increments of 70 hour weeks at a time all so my asparagus is $4/lb not $5/lb, is disgusting. And the premise that we need them to suffer in poverty because their kids might have a shot at a life just above poverty, doesn’t make it better. We have enough wealth that nobody has to work 70hrs/week. Yet we insist on imposing that, for fear of making our wealthiest slightly less wealthy.
    - tastyfreeze 3y ago
      You seem angry. It also sounds like you have never worked seasonal work. I believe you have made a critical error assuming this is the only work they have. They are being paid well for the job compared to other listings. When that job is done they move on to another. You are also assuming that they are suffering. What do you base this assumption on? Seasonal workers I have met and talked to are generally happy, easy going people. They are not being exploited that is something you read that isn't there.