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If the world was ran by folks who think like you back when I was in my early adulthood, I'd still be doing jobs like picking crops and working in factories. Th

by phil21 3y ago

If the world was ran by folks who think like you back when I was in my early adulthood, I'd still be doing jobs like picking crops and working in factories. There has to be a balance here. You need to allow people who have hustle, drive, and work ethic to rise above the chafe in non-traditional manners other than the prescribed middle class social mobility route. Not everyone is average, and treating society as such is a recipe for tears. I have zero idea how I'd "come up" today since all the ladders of "work harder than those next to you and you can slowly improve your lot in life" have largely been pulled up in the name of fairness and equity.

dathos 3y ago
I don’t understand how this relates to not paying people a living wage for full time work?
- phil21 3y ago
  $30/hr isn't a living wage? Jobs like this are precisely the high-paying hard-labor stuff that is going by the wayside in the name of equity. The exact type of job I used to pull myself out of my situation and bootstrap my tech career. Try walking onto a roofing crew these days and see how that goes. Jobs like this simply are almost nonexistent now for most demographics.
  - cxr 3y ago
    > $30/hr isn't a living wage? Income is relative. Mentioning it without mentioning its measure against what it's used for makes it nearly meaningless. If you're going to do that, you might as well not even mention units like dollars and hours.
  - kennywinker 3y ago
    $30/hour for the most skilled workers, for a few weeks during harvest, where you have to live on the farm 24/7, and then travel somewhere else because this job is done. That’s not roofing. Not even in the same ballpark as roofing.
- sparrish 3y ago
  It's not full-time work. It's seasonal work.
cxr 3y ago
> I have zero idea how I'd "come up" today since all the ladders of "work harder than those next to you and you can slowly improve your lot in life" have largely been pulled up You're not wrong about them disappearing. But you're not mentioning factors like how much more top earners are extracting out of the system today versus before. Wealth concentration and wealth disparity have not remained fixed. They certainly haven't gone down. They've gone up, and not even just a little—they've gone way up.

by phil21 3y ago

dathos 3y ago

I don’t understand how this relates to not paying people a living wage for full time work?

phil21 3y ago
$30/hr isn't a living wage? Jobs like this are precisely the high-paying hard-labor stuff that is going by the wayside in the name of equity. The exact type of job I used to pull myself out of my situation and bootstrap my tech career. Try walking onto a roofing crew these days and see how that goes. Jobs like this simply are almost nonexistent now for most demographics.
- cxr 3y ago
  > $30/hr isn't a living wage? Income is relative. Mentioning it without mentioning its measure against what it's used for makes it nearly meaningless. If you're going to do that, you might as well not even mention units like dollars and hours.
- kennywinker 3y ago
  $30/hour for the most skilled workers, for a few weeks during harvest, where you have to live on the farm 24/7, and then travel somewhere else because this job is done. That’s not roofing. Not even in the same ballpark as roofing.
sparrish 3y ago
It's not full-time work. It's seasonal work.

cxr 3y ago

> I have zero idea how I'd "come up" today since all the ladders of "work harder than those next to you and you can slowly improve your lot in life" have largely been pulled up You're not wrong about them disappearing. But you're not mentioning factors like how much more top earners are extracting out of the system today versus before. Wealth concentration and wealth disparity have not remained fixed. They certainly haven't gone down. They've gone up, and not even just a little—they've gone way up.