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A reason the right is so against this is because aspects of their lifestyles are targeted by climate activists (who are largely on the left), while the left, es

A reason the right is so against this is because aspects of their lifestyles are targeted by climate activists (who are largely on the left), while the left, especially left politicians, don't see much need to alter their lifestyles. They still fly (rich ones in private jets), use the AC, and get tax breaks on EVs that still run on energy generated by oil and gas, all while screaming that the world is ending, declaring themselves superior, and spewing derision like the above. Perhaps if we both sides had some self control and didn't make everything left vs. right we could solve problems.

flooow 3y ago
Alternatively - capitalism is fundamentally incompatible with the fight against climate change. It will take something more like a war-economy, with the free market reigned in, lots of command and control and lots of government rules. Both the left and the right realise this. It's just that the left are happy about this and the right are not (and would rather burn everything to the ground instead).
- partiallypro 3y ago
  Capitalism and incentives for companies and private citizens are the only way we will defeat climate change. If you think we'd have no climate change if we were all state owned or communists, you're naive. Also, your framing that the only way to give defeat something is to give up essential freedoms and have a command-and-control economy creates more pushback to the idea of even fighting climate change. You're just feeding right into the narrative that the entire thing is about control. Humans have conquered tons of things with markets and incentives, and we will do it again, without falling into a totalitarian regime.
user_7832 3y ago
I don't think I fully agree with your reasoning. I feel it's more of a conservative vs progressive thing. Switching to EVs from fossil fuel cars needs someone to be at least slightly open to the idea. If anyone has a "They didn't do this in my pop's era, I'm not going to do it now!" attitude it's unlikely they'll be happy to switch. (There's also some folks on the conservative side who would rather go back to older tech saying stuff like "BPA is making the x gay" "Lithium mining is bad" which is another thing altogether. Not defending or attacking either side here.)
- partiallypro 3y ago
  A lot of people that are "conservatives" live in areas where electric currently is just not feasible. The US is highly car dependent. Even in Nashville it can take an hour to get to the other side of the city sometimes. It's worse in more rural areas; not even mentioning that electric cars are far more expensive for people that are middle to lower class. So, their pushback sometime is because it just makes their life worse.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    If you are a conservative it's likely you have a place to park your car at night on your own property which means you can easily install a 3kw charger from the same circuit your dryer is on and cover 95% of your car use cases for very very cheap and often without even calling an electrician. Conservatives don't do that because they dont actually give a fuck about how much gas costs and don't want to give up their big powerful truck that never leaves the pavement. For anyone with a parking spot on their property and a less than 40 mile commute, electric cars are already feasible.
    - partiallypro 3y ago
      40-mile commute? That's cute. Some people have to travel 60-80 miles to work both ways. My parent's nearest grocery store is 30+ miles away. The cheapest new electric car is $35k+ the newest gas vehicle is $12k. That doesn't even mention that there are no hard numbers on longevity of electric vehicles, people in rural areas have vehicles that are 20-30 years old. An electric car lasting that long doesn't exist because they haven't been around that long, and you'd have to drop thousands for battery replacement in that lifespan. I would love an all-electric, or at least a clean alternative, future, but it's just not feasible for some people. HN is so disconnected sometimes, clearly have only ever lived in cities and are used to relative wealth.
wongarsu 3y ago
The most "insufferable" people on the left are typically the people who have made massive changes to their lifestyles. Just ask a vegan.

flooow 3y ago

Alternatively - capitalism is fundamentally incompatible with the fight against climate change. It will take something more like a war-economy, with the free market reigned in, lots of command and control and lots of government rules. Both the left and the right realise this. It's just that the left are happy about this and the right are not (and would rather burn everything to the ground instead).

partiallypro 3y ago
Capitalism and incentives for companies and private citizens are the only way we will defeat climate change. If you think we'd have no climate change if we were all state owned or communists, you're naive. Also, your framing that the only way to give defeat something is to give up essential freedoms and have a command-and-control economy creates more pushback to the idea of even fighting climate change. You're just feeding right into the narrative that the entire thing is about control. Humans have conquered tons of things with markets and incentives, and we will do it again, without falling into a totalitarian regime.

user_7832 3y ago

I don't think I fully agree with your reasoning. I feel it's more of a conservative vs progressive thing. Switching to EVs from fossil fuel cars needs someone to be at least slightly open to the idea. If anyone has a "They didn't do this in my pop's era, I'm not going to do it now!" attitude it's unlikely they'll be happy to switch. (There's also some folks on the conservative side who would rather go back to older tech saying stuff like "BPA is making the x gay" "Lithium mining is bad" which is another thing altogether. Not defending or attacking either side here.)

partiallypro 3y ago
A lot of people that are "conservatives" live in areas where electric currently is just not feasible. The US is highly car dependent. Even in Nashville it can take an hour to get to the other side of the city sometimes. It's worse in more rural areas; not even mentioning that electric cars are far more expensive for people that are middle to lower class. So, their pushback sometime is because it just makes their life worse.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  If you are a conservative it's likely you have a place to park your car at night on your own property which means you can easily install a 3kw charger from the same circuit your dryer is on and cover 95% of your car use cases for very very cheap and often without even calling an electrician. Conservatives don't do that because they dont actually give a fuck about how much gas costs and don't want to give up their big powerful truck that never leaves the pavement. For anyone with a parking spot on their property and a less than 40 mile commute, electric cars are already feasible.
  - partiallypro 3y ago
    40-mile commute? That's cute. Some people have to travel 60-80 miles to work both ways. My parent's nearest grocery store is 30+ miles away. The cheapest new electric car is $35k+ the newest gas vehicle is $12k. That doesn't even mention that there are no hard numbers on longevity of electric vehicles, people in rural areas have vehicles that are 20-30 years old. An electric car lasting that long doesn't exist because they haven't been around that long, and you'd have to drop thousands for battery replacement in that lifespan. I would love an all-electric, or at least a clean alternative, future, but it's just not feasible for some people. HN is so disconnected sometimes, clearly have only ever lived in cities and are used to relative wealth.

wongarsu 3y ago

The most "insufferable" people on the left are typically the people who have made massive changes to their lifestyles. Just ask a vegan.