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Do you think AI is capable of gobbling up "literally all the money" for its owners? If so, doesn't that suggest it's kinda dangerous? FWIW I don't think these

by kalkin 3y ago

Do you think AI is capable of gobbling up "literally all the money" for its owners? If so, doesn't that suggest it's kinda dangerous? FWIW I don't think these voluntary commitments are sufficient or address all of the important harms. But that's different than saying any government action is just "regulatory capture" and an attempt to keep open source models down. I'm only attempting to argue against the latter here, which I'm not sure is where you're coming from.

dragonwriter 3y ago
> Do you think AI is capable of gobbling up "literally all the money" for its owners? Not particularly without barriers to competition in the space being artificially erected so as to enable that, which is the whole point of the industry-government game of footsie.
- kalkin 3y ago
  You're not the commenter I was addressing, but it sounds like your position is: AI will eat the entire economy but that's going to go fine as long as it's entirely unregulated so that the magic of the free market can fix any problems. Is that right? Or maybe you're not endorsing "literally all" in the literally-literally sense, in which case it would be helpful to spell out what value you think AI will capture (for monopolists or otherwise).
mrguyorama 3y ago
>AI is capable of gobbling up "literally all the money" for its owners? No, I think wealthy and capital rich companies can leverage AI to extract value from places that already extract value simply by underpaying people and use stupid rhetoric and other methods that they are very familiar with to continue buying up basically everything as most normal people struggle to survive. I explicitly do not think "AI" or even AGI has any inherent danger in itself, and only has danger in the same way any automation has in a capitalist system that also gives richer people more power in the justice system and the political system: Rich will get richer by squeezing the non-rich even harder, while politicians don't care because most of them genuinely believe in capitalism as an unabashed and incorruptible good and the misinformation and discourse control that passable bullshit generated with a single keystroke grants them way more power

by kalkin 3y ago

dragonwriter 3y ago

> Do you think AI is capable of gobbling up "literally all the money" for its owners? Not particularly without barriers to competition in the space being artificially erected so as to enable that, which is the whole point of the industry-government game of footsie.

kalkin 3y ago
You're not the commenter I was addressing, but it sounds like your position is: AI will eat the entire economy but that's going to go fine as long as it's entirely unregulated so that the magic of the free market can fix any problems. Is that right? Or maybe you're not endorsing "literally all" in the literally-literally sense, in which case it would be helpful to spell out what value you think AI will capture (for monopolists or otherwise).

mrguyorama 3y ago

>AI is capable of gobbling up "literally all the money" for its owners? No, I think wealthy and capital rich companies can leverage AI to extract value from places that already extract value simply by underpaying people and use stupid rhetoric and other methods that they are very familiar with to continue buying up basically everything as most normal people struggle to survive. I explicitly do not think "AI" or even AGI has any inherent danger in itself, and only has danger in the same way any automation has in a capitalist system that also gives richer people more power in the justice system and the political system: Rich will get richer by squeezing the non-rich even harder, while politicians don't care because most of them genuinely believe in capitalism as an unabashed and incorruptible good and the misinformation and discourse control that passable bullshit generated with a single keystroke grants them way more power