Very true. It seems men just don't care as much about social norms, which I just chalked up to autism when I was younger. Now I realize after getting married to

Very true. It seems men just don't care as much about social norms, which I just chalked up to autism when I was younger. Now I realize after getting married to a wonderful husband, and having kids, that's it's a survival mechanism. They don't get nearly as much societal help as women, and so social norms are far less relevant to them. Women care a great deal about social norms/"brutal" hierarchy, but we can also get a lot more from it. So it tends to be enabled at every rung of the hierarchy. When I was a young girl, the worse bullying came from "average" looking girls rather then the very beautiful ones.