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Won't many motorway trips still be within EV range without a charge en route? i.e. under e.g. 200 miles. I once had a long car commute for a while, with time s

Won't many motorway trips still be within EV range without a charge en route? i.e. under e.g. 200 miles. I once had a long car commute for a while, with time spent on the M25 (a ring road around London, a major motorway / traffic jam) and that was still around 110 miles daily round trip. I could have done it daily on an overnight charge. So maybe EVs doing a quick partial change out of "desire to avoid filling completely" which swings the numbers the other way. IDK how big these relative effects are, but this is another way in which the maths is different, the numbers are not directly comparable.

SoftTalker 3y ago
In Europe, maybe. In the USA, a 400-600 mile drive is not unusual and within the radius of what I would consider driving vs. flying given the hassle of flying here.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  > In Europe, maybe. Article headline: "By 2028 there must be fast chargers every 60 km on the EU’s key motorways" So yeah, the topic is Europe (EU and UK) Of course 400-600 mile drives exist, just that they don't form a large proportion of car trips.
  - tredre3 3y ago
    > So yeah, the topic is Europe (EU and UK) Article is about the EU only, not the UK. Even their map deliberately leaves the UK blank.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
      The topic (as opposed to the article only) includes my personal anecdote above, which you might notice is in London, UK. I use words deliberately. Parent comment phrase "in Europe" typically includes UK as well, not just EU members. I'm already more than comfortably aware that the EU does not include the UK. But, UK habits are at present more like those on the continent of Europe than to USA. That's why I felt the anecdote relevant. What was your point again?
- fsckboy 3y ago
  a 400-600 mile drive is not unusual? it's not unheard of, it's not out of the question, it's not a crazy distance for cities to be "away from" each other, but unless your job is "driver", it is not a "usual" thing to do except a few times a year. You're talking about a full day driving.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    Yeah, "it happens a coupe of times per year, as opposed to a commute that I do multiple times a week" is stretching the definition of "usual" to breaking point. In context though, it was about "how many charging bays do we really need, if some or many cars don't need to charge en route, or need it much less often?" so the semantic argument around "what does 'usual' even mean?" is a ridiculous distraction. These long trips of course exist but are not the largest percentage of cars on the road.

SoftTalker 3y ago

In Europe, maybe. In the USA, a 400-600 mile drive is not unusual and within the radius of what I would consider driving vs. flying given the hassle of flying here.

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
> In Europe, maybe. Article headline: "By 2028 there must be fast chargers every 60 km on the EU’s key motorways" So yeah, the topic is Europe (EU and UK) Of course 400-600 mile drives exist, just that they don't form a large proportion of car trips.
- tredre3 3y ago
  > So yeah, the topic is Europe (EU and UK) Article is about the EU only, not the UK. Even their map deliberately leaves the UK blank.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    The topic (as opposed to the article only) includes my personal anecdote above, which you might notice is in London, UK. I use words deliberately. Parent comment phrase "in Europe" typically includes UK as well, not just EU members. I'm already more than comfortably aware that the EU does not include the UK. But, UK habits are at present more like those on the continent of Europe than to USA. That's why I felt the anecdote relevant. What was your point again?
fsckboy 3y ago
a 400-600 mile drive is not unusual? it's not unheard of, it's not out of the question, it's not a crazy distance for cities to be "away from" each other, but unless your job is "driver", it is not a "usual" thing to do except a few times a year. You're talking about a full day driving.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  Yeah, "it happens a coupe of times per year, as opposed to a commute that I do multiple times a week" is stretching the definition of "usual" to breaking point. In context though, it was about "how many charging bays do we really need, if some or many cars don't need to charge en route, or need it much less often?" so the semantic argument around "what does 'usual' even mean?" is a ridiculous distraction. These long trips of course exist but are not the largest percentage of cars on the road.