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Putin can stop whenever he wants by not annexing Ukraine. Its surprising that people spin that west is responsible for a war started by Russia. The article say

Putin can stop whenever he wants by not annexing Ukraine. Its surprising that people spin that west is responsible for a war started by Russia. The article says "We can stop the war by the west stopping supply to Ukraine". This is literally the way Russia wins the war and annexes Ukraine. Stop being an apologist for the aggressor

seabird 3y ago
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- whimsicalism 3y ago
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- tchalla 3y ago
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  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Sure, the US has absolutely worked with despotic regimes to do bad things. Providing token aid to a sovereign country being invaded by an objective enemy aggressor is not that.
whimsicalism 3y ago
I think there is a middle ground imo. Insistence that Ukraine recapture Crimea and we should keep supplying weapons until they do is ridiculous imo and will lead to a lot more loss of life and likely little success. Nevermind that the ethnically Russian population of Crimea likely does not want to be part of the post-Euromaidan government of Ukraine (which, let’s keep in mind, did technically involve the illegal ouster of the president Crimeans helped elect and the subsequent banning of the Russian language in schools).
- spywaregorilla 3y ago
  > Insistence that Ukraine recapture Crimea and we should keep supplying weapons until they do There are no major western leaders saying this. Ukraine is saying that they intend to recapture Crimea. The russian play book of conquering lands and then stuffing them with ethnic russians is not a good strategy to reward. Ethnic russians can go live in Russia if they don't want to live in Ukraine.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    What? Crimean Russians have been there for like at least 50 years. Ukraine is making claims about recapturing this and that because they feel they can count on Western support to do so and because it lets them negotiate from a high starting point. I think that is largely fine if we are pushing for settlements behind the scenes
    - lock-the-spock 3y ago
      Your post suggests ethnic russians are the only ones that matter. There are no trustworthy numbers since Russia annexed Crimea but before that - meaning less than 10 years ago - ethnic russians were just a minority. There are also Ukrainians, Crim tartars and a wealth of smaller groups. Options: 1. Russia might have managed to drive off other ethnicities and add more russians,but all of which would have been in the past 10 years, knowing full well it's stolen land.do these people get a say on who owns Crimea? I don't think that's something to reward. 2. Russians are still a minority(and not necessarily all of them might want to be part of Russia...). Then clearly your logic would suggest that Ukraine should retake it or Russia voluntarily should hand it back.
      - Iwan-Zotow 3y ago
        > but before that - meaning less than 10 years ago - ethnic russians were just a minority ha-ha got "trustworthy numbers" for that?
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seabird 3y ago

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whimsicalism 3y ago
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tchalla 3y ago
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- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Sure, the US has absolutely worked with despotic regimes to do bad things. Providing token aid to a sovereign country being invaded by an objective enemy aggressor is not that.

whimsicalism 3y ago

I think there is a middle ground imo. Insistence that Ukraine recapture Crimea and we should keep supplying weapons until they do is ridiculous imo and will lead to a lot more loss of life and likely little success. Nevermind that the ethnically Russian population of Crimea likely does not want to be part of the post-Euromaidan government of Ukraine (which, let’s keep in mind, did technically involve the illegal ouster of the president Crimeans helped elect and the subsequent banning of the Russian language in schools).

spywaregorilla 3y ago
> Insistence that Ukraine recapture Crimea and we should keep supplying weapons until they do There are no major western leaders saying this. Ukraine is saying that they intend to recapture Crimea. The russian play book of conquering lands and then stuffing them with ethnic russians is not a good strategy to reward. Ethnic russians can go live in Russia if they don't want to live in Ukraine.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  What? Crimean Russians have been there for like at least 50 years. Ukraine is making claims about recapturing this and that because they feel they can count on Western support to do so and because it lets them negotiate from a high starting point. I think that is largely fine if we are pushing for settlements behind the scenes
  - lock-the-spock 3y ago
    Your post suggests ethnic russians are the only ones that matter. There are no trustworthy numbers since Russia annexed Crimea but before that - meaning less than 10 years ago - ethnic russians were just a minority. There are also Ukrainians, Crim tartars and a wealth of smaller groups. Options: 1. Russia might have managed to drive off other ethnicities and add more russians,but all of which would have been in the past 10 years, knowing full well it's stolen land.do these people get a say on who owns Crimea? I don't think that's something to reward. 2. Russians are still a minority(and not necessarily all of them might want to be part of Russia...). Then clearly your logic would suggest that Ukraine should retake it or Russia voluntarily should hand it back.
    - Iwan-Zotow 3y ago
      > but before that - meaning less than 10 years ago - ethnic russians were just a minority ha-ha got "trustworthy numbers" for that?
      - 3y ago