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Same here. I read a couple of literature reviews on climate change on a particular hot summer vacation in 2016. It completely voided me of all hope that humans

by smodo 3y ago

Same here. I read a couple of literature reviews on climate change on a particular hot summer vacation in 2016. It completely voided me of all hope that humans would somehow manage to ‘solve’ the wave of misery that is rushing towards us.

netsharc 3y ago
We'll go back to selfishness and isolationism. The EU was supposed to be this cooperative utopia, but when Covid started to be real bad in Italy, its neighbors just shut the borders down. There was also hoarding of medical supplies (even legitimately bought stuff were blocked from being delivered). I guess sooner rather than later we'll see militaries being deployed to secure (i.e steal from other nations) food and water, who cares about diplomacy and civilization if there's starvation. I wonder who's got the better military, Putin might've screwed Russia by getting his troops all shot up in Ukraine, if Siberia becomes fertile land and China needs food, who's going to stop them from saying "we're borrowing this bit of your country, that's cool with you, right?". A friend posted a meme about why most people seem mostly calm instead of panicking, I commented, I guess individuals just need it to be normal for them and they'll feel fine, if they start paying attention they won't be able to sleep at night, so we trivialize the problem to solve the cognitive dissonance.
n_ary 3y ago
Off-topic rant: >> voided me of all hope that humans would somehow manage to ‘solve’ the wave of misery that is rushing towards us. The general tendency of human(each generation) is to bid it safe and hope that their generation is not affected by whatever catacalysm is coming up. Everyone I know likes to believe that, they will be long dead before such things happen and science will figure something out. So in general, people are more likely to continue abusive(towards nature) behavior because they hope that they won't be affected. Unfortunately, this doesn't help anyone and it is hard to change people's mind, until bad things start happening to them. So, in summary, human is probably not intending to solve the wave of misery, but hoping to escape it, hence the general acceleration of the changes will be devastating and pretty fast.
- namaria 3y ago
  Addicted individuals hardly change behavior until they hit the proverbial rock bottom. And it's still a toss up in terms of long term changes. I have no reason to believe we'd fare better collectively. Society won't change patterns of demand and activity until after disaster strikes. And even then, we're as likely to cling on to high energy consumption life styles and just letting poor countries perish as to actually renounce this insane 2/3 cars per family, huge homes and offices air conditioned to brisk temperatures lifestyle. Southern Europe burns while Northern Europe is mowing grass and blowing leaves by burning gasoline in portable engines. It feels like the opening of a disaster movie.

by smodo 3y ago

netsharc 3y ago

We'll go back to selfishness and isolationism. The EU was supposed to be this cooperative utopia, but when Covid started to be real bad in Italy, its neighbors just shut the borders down. There was also hoarding of medical supplies (even legitimately bought stuff were blocked from being delivered). I guess sooner rather than later we'll see militaries being deployed to secure (i.e steal from other nations) food and water, who cares about diplomacy and civilization if there's starvation. I wonder who's got the better military, Putin might've screwed Russia by getting his troops all shot up in Ukraine, if Siberia becomes fertile land and China needs food, who's going to stop them from saying "we're borrowing this bit of your country, that's cool with you, right?". A friend posted a meme about why most people seem mostly calm instead of panicking, I commented, I guess individuals just need it to be normal for them and they'll feel fine, if they start paying attention they won't be able to sleep at night, so we trivialize the problem to solve the cognitive dissonance.

n_ary 3y ago

Off-topic rant: >> voided me of all hope that humans would somehow manage to ‘solve’ the wave of misery that is rushing towards us. The general tendency of human(each generation) is to bid it safe and hope that their generation is not affected by whatever catacalysm is coming up. Everyone I know likes to believe that, they will be long dead before such things happen and science will figure something out. So in general, people are more likely to continue abusive(towards nature) behavior because they hope that they won't be affected. Unfortunately, this doesn't help anyone and it is hard to change people's mind, until bad things start happening to them. So, in summary, human is probably not intending to solve the wave of misery, but hoping to escape it, hence the general acceleration of the changes will be devastating and pretty fast.

namaria 3y ago
Addicted individuals hardly change behavior until they hit the proverbial rock bottom. And it's still a toss up in terms of long term changes. I have no reason to believe we'd fare better collectively. Society won't change patterns of demand and activity until after disaster strikes. And even then, we're as likely to cling on to high energy consumption life styles and just letting poor countries perish as to actually renounce this insane 2/3 cars per family, huge homes and offices air conditioned to brisk temperatures lifestyle. Southern Europe burns while Northern Europe is mowing grass and blowing leaves by burning gasoline in portable engines. It feels like the opening of a disaster movie.