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Strange language in the press release (emphasis added): > Unacceptable risk AI systems are systems considered a threat to people and will be banned. They inclu
by p-e-w 3y ago
Strange language in the press release (emphasis added):
> Unacceptable risk AI systems are systems considered a threat to people and will be banned. They include:
> - Cognitive behavioural manipulation of people or specific vulnerable groups [...]
I'm fairly certain that "specific vulnerable groups" are made up of people. But people have already been mentioned. So why this redundancy? Is this supposed to hint at an understanding that regular people (i.e., those who are not members of "specific vulnerable groups") will receive a lesser degree of protection either by law or in practice?
- hef19898 3y agoPeople come in different shapes and forms. Some are more vulnerable than others, in a democracy, those have the right to be protected. Pretty easy, when you think about it.
- jefftk 3y agoYour parent is pointing out that the phrasing is similar to a law that requires specific treatment for "citrus fruits and oranges", which looks initially like it should be equivalent to requiring specific treatment for "citrus fruits". The question is what additional legal requirements come from the inclusion of "specific vulnerable groups".
- p-e-w 3y ago> People come in different shapes and forms. And there's a common term for all of them: People. According to the above quote, "people" in general have the right to receive protection. So why mention those groups separately, unless the protection they are going to receive somehow differs from that received by the rest of the population?
- hef19898 3y agoFor the same reason we have very specific ant-discrimination laws? Apparently, some people have problems applying basic human rights to other people without being explicitely told do so.
- jeroenhd 3y agoKids and the mentally disabled are given as an example. Those are treated differently by society, for good reason.
- jeroenhd 3y agoThe full text reads: > The prohibitions covers practices that have a significant potential to manipulate persons through subliminal techniques beyond their consciousness or exploit vulnerabilities of specific vulnerable groups such as children or persons with disabilities in order to materially distort their behaviour in a manner that is likely to cause them or another person psychological or physical harm. You can read the full proposal if you have any questions. These documents are often written quite well, with legalese strictly limited to where it makes sense.
- p-e-w 3y agoSo in other words, "cognitive behavioral manipulation" won't actually be banned. It will only be banned if conditions A, B, C, D, E, and F are also met. Otherwise, it's full steam ahead, for example for the purposes of advertising.
- afthonos 3y agoHow would you measure harm? Any normal software system will occasionally hurt people who don’t fit the world model written into the system, so zero hurt isn’t reasonable. How then? Probably by using some statistical measure, like “less than X% of human users are negatively affected by the system”. Ok, sounds good. But if X is 1 and your system hews that number by negatively affecting 20% of a specific group your system is ostensibly not targeting, that’s still a problem. That’s why specific protected groups are called out.