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> when something goes wrong, it's not just one thing, there's bunch of things broken at the same time and their status page will show everything green How dare

> when something goes wrong, it's not just one thing, there's bunch of things broken at the same time and their status page will show everything green How dare they use AWS' patented approach to having a service outage.

gtirloni 3y ago
Was that an attempt to discredit criticism of Fly's operational processes by pointing out that another company also has issues in how they handle outage notifications?
- stephenr 3y ago
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  - gtirloni 3y ago
    Was the sarcasm an attempt to discredit criticism of Fly's operational processes by pointing out that another company also has issues in how they handle outage notifications?
    - stephenr 3y ago
      You could have just answered my previous question with "No, I am not familiar with sarcasm". Because you clearly don't understand sarcasm, I'll be blunt: No, I'm not trying to discredit any criticism of this provider. I agree with the comment I replied to, that this kind of failure mode is fucking ridiculous. My response thus is not an attempt to normalise this, but to highlight the elephant in the room, which is that AWS - the gold standard for "hosting" services for many a startup and techbro - *also* has Rube Goldberg like levels of interdependence that cause cascading failures *every time* something goes wrong, and *also* have a status board so confidently green that it may as well be an ad for lawn care products.
      - gtirloni 3y ago
        Thanks for clarifying. I understand now you wanted to call attention to the fact that another famous organization in the same space as Fly.io also has such bad practices. Thanks for the data point.
      - CryptoBanker 3y ago
        I don’t think you understand the comment you’re replying to at all. Either that or you’re trying to deflect even further
ctvo 3y ago
I wouldn’t put AWS and Fly in the same sentence. AWS is magnitudes more reliable, with better support.
- stephenr 3y ago
  I didn't mention how often they fail. I merely mentioned two characteristics of how they fail, that are spectacularly shit.

gtirloni 3y ago

Was that an attempt to discredit criticism of Fly's operational processes by pointing out that another company also has issues in how they handle outage notifications?

stephenr 3y ago
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- gtirloni 3y ago
  Was the sarcasm an attempt to discredit criticism of Fly's operational processes by pointing out that another company also has issues in how they handle outage notifications?
  - stephenr 3y ago
    You could have just answered my previous question with "No, I am not familiar with sarcasm". Because you clearly don't understand sarcasm, I'll be blunt: No, I'm not trying to discredit any criticism of this provider. I agree with the comment I replied to, that this kind of failure mode is fucking ridiculous. My response thus is not an attempt to normalise this, but to highlight the elephant in the room, which is that AWS - the gold standard for "hosting" services for many a startup and techbro - *also* has Rube Goldberg like levels of interdependence that cause cascading failures *every time* something goes wrong, and *also* have a status board so confidently green that it may as well be an ad for lawn care products.
    - gtirloni 3y ago
      Thanks for clarifying. I understand now you wanted to call attention to the fact that another famous organization in the same space as Fly.io also has such bad practices. Thanks for the data point.
    - CryptoBanker 3y ago
      I don’t think you understand the comment you’re replying to at all. Either that or you’re trying to deflect even further

ctvo 3y ago

I wouldn’t put AWS and Fly in the same sentence. AWS is magnitudes more reliable, with better support.

stephenr 3y ago
I didn't mention how often they fail. I merely mentioned two characteristics of how they fail, that are spectacularly shit.