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Are you implying the Internet is a result of competition? It's not; it's origins are a government project. The competition part is what's ruining the Web.

robertlagrant 3y ago
The internet wouldn't be what it is as a government project. Millions of person-hours invested by mostly private companies to make networks and lay cables and create software (which is also constantly out-competed by other software). A government can't do that, and wouldn't try. The internet is overwhelmingly a result of private indivuals and companies doing work. Ironically of course, the internet's origins were a US government project. So even then, you're not making tons of sense in the context of this thread.
- nehal3m 3y ago
  You're right, of course the market did have something to do with the internet exploding into what we know and love/hate today. It's also true that ARPA/DARPA (depending on when you'd have asked) was responsible for its invention. That is a US government institution, however this thread places the origin of the internet in the context of American competition, so in my opinion it does make sense to deny that the internet came from that. I do disagree that a government couldn't or wouldn't do that; the internet is infrastructure and governments do that kind of thing all the time.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    > in the context of American competition In the context of American competitiveness, and there's nothing more competitive than a defense department (-:
    - nehal3m 3y ago
      The US defense apparatus is literally the most bloated, bureaucratic and inefficient institution on the planet if you ask me.
      - msla 3y ago
        Good thing nobody asks you, then, because you have no idea what you're talking about.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        R&D is inefficient. Cruise ships are more inefficient, bloated and bureaucratic than speedboats, but speedboats can't cross oceans.
msla 3y ago
Yes, it definitely beat the OSI standard for one thing.

robertlagrant 3y ago

The internet wouldn't be what it is as a government project. Millions of person-hours invested by mostly private companies to make networks and lay cables and create software (which is also constantly out-competed by other software). A government can't do that, and wouldn't try. The internet is overwhelmingly a result of private indivuals and companies doing work. Ironically of course, the internet's origins were a US government project. So even then, you're not making tons of sense in the context of this thread.

nehal3m 3y ago
You're right, of course the market did have something to do with the internet exploding into what we know and love/hate today. It's also true that ARPA/DARPA (depending on when you'd have asked) was responsible for its invention. That is a US government institution, however this thread places the origin of the internet in the context of American competition, so in my opinion it does make sense to deny that the internet came from that. I do disagree that a government couldn't or wouldn't do that; the internet is infrastructure and governments do that kind of thing all the time.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  > in the context of American competition In the context of American competitiveness, and there's nothing more competitive than a defense department (-:
  - nehal3m 3y ago
    The US defense apparatus is literally the most bloated, bureaucratic and inefficient institution on the planet if you ask me.
    - msla 3y ago
      Good thing nobody asks you, then, because you have no idea what you're talking about.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      R&D is inefficient. Cruise ships are more inefficient, bloated and bureaucratic than speedboats, but speedboats can't cross oceans.

msla 3y ago

Yes, it definitely beat the OSI standard for one thing.