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No, spies for the Soviets. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg https://en.m.

No, spies for the Soviets. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Hall https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Hall https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Koval https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Koval https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gold https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gold https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Fuchs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Fuchs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Glasser https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Glasser https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Dexter_White https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Dexter_White https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Gregory_Silvermaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Gregory_Silvermaster There were many, many people in the US who betrayed their country to the Soviets because they believed in Communism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_espionage_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_espionage_in_the_Unit...

dr_dshiv 3y ago
Went through your list. I didn’t get the sense of deep belief in communism nor antiamericanism. There seemed to be other incentives. Is there a good example?
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  Wikipedia isn't the right source for "the sense of deep belief", it's far too dry and factual for that. The Rosenbergs were known as believers in Communism.
- mablopoule 3y ago
  Not OP, but I would recommend on this subject a podcast I've talked about in a previous comment [1], about the life or Hoover and the red scare in light of declassified knowledge of soviet spies in the US. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36257604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36257604
- lifeonlars 3y ago
  I don't think you studied either Klaus Fuchs or the Rosenbergs in much detail then. Whatever the merits of their actions or the cases against them, they were certainly dedicated Communists who did their best for a cause they believed in fervently.
  - dr_dshiv 3y ago
    I should have been clear — those were the 3
rurban 3y ago
Even more they believed that the fascists had to be tamed. First the German fascists, but then the root of it all, the US fascists with their Hitler support and their genocidal anti-socialist world-domination program, bringing fascism to the whole world. I wouldn't call that betrayal, you could rather argue that the US fascists betrayed the oldest democracy. Even Oppenheimer, who was a stance Anti-Stalinist and the liberal under the fascist security clique, had the very same view and motivation. Just from the far right. https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Events/1942-1945/espionage.htm https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Event... names many more.
duped 3y ago
Afaict none of those spies were caught during the first or second Red Scare
- Fricken 3y ago
  Does the China Initiative count as a Red scare? It was recent. Didn't round up any spies either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative
nemo44x 3y ago
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dr_dshiv 3y ago

Went through your list. I didn’t get the sense of deep belief in communism nor antiamericanism. There seemed to be other incentives. Is there a good example?

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
Wikipedia isn't the right source for "the sense of deep belief", it's far too dry and factual for that. The Rosenbergs were known as believers in Communism.
mablopoule 3y ago
Not OP, but I would recommend on this subject a podcast I've talked about in a previous comment [1], about the life or Hoover and the red scare in light of declassified knowledge of soviet spies in the US. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36257604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36257604
lifeonlars 3y ago
I don't think you studied either Klaus Fuchs or the Rosenbergs in much detail then. Whatever the merits of their actions or the cases against them, they were certainly dedicated Communists who did their best for a cause they believed in fervently.
- dr_dshiv 3y ago
  I should have been clear — those were the 3

rurban 3y ago

Even more they believed that the fascists had to be tamed. First the German fascists, but then the root of it all, the US fascists with their Hitler support and their genocidal anti-socialist world-domination program, bringing fascism to the whole world. I wouldn't call that betrayal, you could rather argue that the US fascists betrayed the oldest democracy. Even Oppenheimer, who was a stance Anti-Stalinist and the liberal under the fascist security clique, had the very same view and motivation. Just from the far right. https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Events/1942-1945/espionage.htm https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Event... names many more.

duped 3y ago

Afaict none of those spies were caught during the first or second Red Scare

Fricken 3y ago
Does the China Initiative count as a Red scare? It was recent. Didn't round up any spies either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative

nemo44x 3y ago

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