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From this my take away is that I could get fired for picking Fly.io for work. Not because there was an outage but because days could pass before getting support

by xupybd 3y ago

From this my take away is that I could get fired for picking Fly.io for work. Not because there was an outage but because days could pass before getting support. What assurances could you give the community here that the support would be better next time?

tptacek 3y ago
This is our public site, for people who don't have support plans with us. It's difficult for me to say more about what happened here and how you might have handled it, because I don't know what happened with this SYD host, because it's 1AM and the people who worked on it are, I assume, asleep. When I know more, I'll do my best to get you a postmortem.
- xupybd 3y ago
  >This is our public site, for people who don't have support plans with us To be honest, that's enough for me. Sorry I didn't pick up on that.
tinco 3y ago
Try filing a bug with any of the big three cloud vendors when you're on their free plan. It's really not different, the thing that is going to get you fired is not realizing you're not paying a couple hundred bucks per month for premium service on the infrastructure that is mission critical to your company.
- xupybd 3y ago
  Funny story, when I started my current role I researched our hosting provider. I couldn't find the matching invoices in the accounting system. So I called the vendor, a local company. They'd not set our account up correctly, billing was not enabled. Since then we've been billed. I'm glad we sorted it but it wasn't a good look to start my role by increasing our spending.
  - NewJazz 3y ago
    My neighbor once had a gardener who delivered no bill. For years! Then out of the blue, $4k invoice. Trust me, you did the business a favor.
  - mst 3y ago
    I feel like starting your role by discovering a crucial service wasn't being paid for and therefore was at risk of suddenly going away should be a pretty positive thing. However 'should' is pretty load bearing there and actual results are probably heavily dependent on management culture and the current state of office politics.
    - tinco 3y ago
      We had a customer once that our automatic billing system tried to reach for 3 months about failing credit card charges (<$5k/mo). Our system stopped the service.. I'm pretty sure their subsequent outage cost their customers millions. Lessons about what it means to have (and be) enterprise customers were learned. Unfortunately the lady who was ignoring our e-mails in her inbox got fired.
- ctvo 3y ago
  > Try filing a bug with any of the big three cloud vendors when you're on their free plan. A host being down for 3 days isn’t a bug. And you can contact AWS support, even on the free plan, and get a reply. Try it yourself. The great thing about AWS and the other cloud providers? If a host has issues they email all customers with workloads on it so you don’t need to refresh or check a forum. I understand fly is a community darling. They’re unreliable, with poor support currently. Maybe the dev experience is great and that makes up for it, but pretending like everything else is equally shitty? Not true.
ajsharp 3y ago
Lots of experience with Fly's paid support here. tl;dr Absurdly good. FAR better wrt both response times and technical expertise than you'll get with any large public cloud provider. I was dealing with some annoying cert + app migration stuff (migrating most of an app from AWS to Fly), and Kurt (CEO) was personally sending me haproxy configs bc I'm not smart enough to know how to configure low-level tcp stuff in haproxy. Not to put him on the spot here -- I doubt he'll have time to do that level of support going forward -- but that's my experience of the company's dedication to support and technical expertise.
throwaway290 3y ago
You can/should get fired for picking any plan without proper support guarantees for something serious, regardless of provider.
- yard2010 3y ago
  People here said they have specifically paid for a higher support tier and got no responses.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    If you are on paid plan and generally followed proper procedures on picking suppliers then you have no reason to be worried about getting fired.

by xupybd 3y ago

tptacek 3y ago

This is our public site, for people who don't have support plans with us. It's difficult for me to say more about what happened here and how you might have handled it, because I don't know what happened with this SYD host, because it's 1AM and the people who worked on it are, I assume, asleep. When I know more, I'll do my best to get you a postmortem.

xupybd 3y ago
>This is our public site, for people who don't have support plans with us To be honest, that's enough for me. Sorry I didn't pick up on that.

tinco 3y ago

Try filing a bug with any of the big three cloud vendors when you're on their free plan. It's really not different, the thing that is going to get you fired is not realizing you're not paying a couple hundred bucks per month for premium service on the infrastructure that is mission critical to your company.

xupybd 3y ago
Funny story, when I started my current role I researched our hosting provider. I couldn't find the matching invoices in the accounting system. So I called the vendor, a local company. They'd not set our account up correctly, billing was not enabled. Since then we've been billed. I'm glad we sorted it but it wasn't a good look to start my role by increasing our spending.
- NewJazz 3y ago
  My neighbor once had a gardener who delivered no bill. For years! Then out of the blue, $4k invoice. Trust me, you did the business a favor.
- mst 3y ago
  I feel like starting your role by discovering a crucial service wasn't being paid for and therefore was at risk of suddenly going away should be a pretty positive thing. However 'should' is pretty load bearing there and actual results are probably heavily dependent on management culture and the current state of office politics.
  - tinco 3y ago
    We had a customer once that our automatic billing system tried to reach for 3 months about failing credit card charges (<$5k/mo). Our system stopped the service.. I'm pretty sure their subsequent outage cost their customers millions. Lessons about what it means to have (and be) enterprise customers were learned. Unfortunately the lady who was ignoring our e-mails in her inbox got fired.
ctvo 3y ago
> Try filing a bug with any of the big three cloud vendors when you're on their free plan. A host being down for 3 days isn’t a bug. And you can contact AWS support, even on the free plan, and get a reply. Try it yourself. The great thing about AWS and the other cloud providers? If a host has issues they email all customers with workloads on it so you don’t need to refresh or check a forum. I understand fly is a community darling. They’re unreliable, with poor support currently. Maybe the dev experience is great and that makes up for it, but pretending like everything else is equally shitty? Not true.

ajsharp 3y ago

Lots of experience with Fly's paid support here. tl;dr Absurdly good. FAR better wrt both response times and technical expertise than you'll get with any large public cloud provider. I was dealing with some annoying cert + app migration stuff (migrating most of an app from AWS to Fly), and Kurt (CEO) was personally sending me haproxy configs bc I'm not smart enough to know how to configure low-level tcp stuff in haproxy. Not to put him on the spot here -- I doubt he'll have time to do that level of support going forward -- but that's my experience of the company's dedication to support and technical expertise.

throwaway290 3y ago

You can/should get fired for picking any plan without proper support guarantees for something serious, regardless of provider.

yard2010 3y ago
People here said they have specifically paid for a higher support tier and got no responses.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  If you are on paid plan and generally followed proper procedures on picking suppliers then you have no reason to be worried about getting fired.