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It doesn't matter what the ratio is. There is a simple fact: if you get smart people to be healthy, they will be alive longer, and even if they don't get any pr

It doesn't matter what the ratio is. There is a simple fact: if you get smart people to be healthy, they will be alive longer, and even if they don't get any productivity boost, they will still be productive for longer. That applies to everyone, sure. But MIT is doing what is best for their students, and I support that decision. MIT is a powerful institution, and it has the ability to influence the lives of some of the smartest students in the world. It'd be awesome if we can keep them healthy and fit so they can be smarter for longer. Even if the smart kids are just as fit as any other kids, that doesn't mean we should accept the average as the standard and move on.

alextgordon 15y ago
This assumes that mandatory PE increases their likelihood of being fit in the future. If the students resent it, then it might be a net negative to their future fitness. Or it might just have no effect whatsoever.
- GFischer 15y ago
  John Walker, Autodesk's founder and writer of the book "Hacker's Diet", has this to say about exercise for hackers: http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/subsection1_2_5_0_1.html#SECTION0250100000000000000 http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/subsection1_2_5_0_1.htm... "the case against exercising seemed straightforward and overwhelmingly persuasive. Exercising consumed time. Exercising was not programming. Therefore, by exercising, less time was available for programming. I'm a hacker--I like to program! Substitute your own favourite activity for programming and you'll see what I mean. In addition, exercise carried all the unpleasant connotations of high school calisthenics, or the equivalent indignity of more modern, yet equally regimented, forms of workouts. But is there a flaw in this argument after all? Indeed there is. The premises are correct, but the conclusion doesn't account for the fact that regular exercise will, in all likelihood, allow you to live longer. Let's look at the numbers. So, if you're 40 years old, and you exercise 15 minutes a day from now until you turn 65, you'll have spent a total of about a quarter of a year exercising in those 25 years. But, if by exercising you manage to live 3 years longer, you're ahead by a total of two and three quarters years by age 65--1000 days. Your increased life span works out to an additional 172 minutes per day from age 40 through 65. Even after spending 15 minutes exercising, the life extension you can expect from getting into shape gives you what amounts to two and half more hours per day to do whatever you enjoy most! Even if you live only one additional year through physical fitness, you'll still end up with 270 more days by exercising. Of course, we're talking percentages here; you could be run over by a truck tomorrow. But hey, if you're in shape you may dodge that truck! "
  - kenrikm 15y ago
    Loved the last sentence, I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm exercising. "I'm getting ready to dodge a truck"
    - kaybe 15y ago
      I recommend the falling training of martial arts. It has actually saved my neck once during biking. I could have died, and I didn't. It's quite motivating to not stop training.
  - vedran 15y ago
    In addition to the comments regarding exercise causing an increase in the length of one's life, don't forget about the dramatic increase in the quality of life due to exercise. If you feel better you'll be more productive.
- pgbovine 15y ago
  i never sensed P.E. class resentment from fellow MIT students during the time i was there. it's a light requirement, and people often chose activities that they would like to learn for fun (e.g., sailing, archery, badminton). no memories of middle school style locker stuffing or wedgies.

alextgordon 15y ago

This assumes that mandatory PE increases their likelihood of being fit in the future. If the students resent it, then it might be a net negative to their future fitness. Or it might just have no effect whatsoever.

GFischer 15y ago
John Walker, Autodesk's founder and writer of the book "Hacker's Diet", has this to say about exercise for hackers: http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/subsection1_2_5_0_1.html#SECTION0250100000000000000 http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/subsection1_2_5_0_1.htm... "the case against exercising seemed straightforward and overwhelmingly persuasive. Exercising consumed time. Exercising was not programming. Therefore, by exercising, less time was available for programming. I'm a hacker--I like to program! Substitute your own favourite activity for programming and you'll see what I mean. In addition, exercise carried all the unpleasant connotations of high school calisthenics, or the equivalent indignity of more modern, yet equally regimented, forms of workouts. But is there a flaw in this argument after all? Indeed there is. The premises are correct, but the conclusion doesn't account for the fact that regular exercise will, in all likelihood, allow you to live longer. Let's look at the numbers. So, if you're 40 years old, and you exercise 15 minutes a day from now until you turn 65, you'll have spent a total of about a quarter of a year exercising in those 25 years. But, if by exercising you manage to live 3 years longer, you're ahead by a total of two and three quarters years by age 65--1000 days. Your increased life span works out to an additional 172 minutes per day from age 40 through 65. Even after spending 15 minutes exercising, the life extension you can expect from getting into shape gives you what amounts to two and half more hours per day to do whatever you enjoy most! Even if you live only one additional year through physical fitness, you'll still end up with 270 more days by exercising. Of course, we're talking percentages here; you could be run over by a truck tomorrow. But hey, if you're in shape you may dodge that truck! "
- kenrikm 15y ago
  Loved the last sentence, I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm exercising. "I'm getting ready to dodge a truck"
  - kaybe 15y ago
    I recommend the falling training of martial arts. It has actually saved my neck once during biking. I could have died, and I didn't. It's quite motivating to not stop training.
- vedran 15y ago
  In addition to the comments regarding exercise causing an increase in the length of one's life, don't forget about the dramatic increase in the quality of life due to exercise. If you feel better you'll be more productive.
pgbovine 15y ago
i never sensed P.E. class resentment from fellow MIT students during the time i was there. it's a light requirement, and people often chose activities that they would like to learn for fun (e.g., sailing, archery, badminton). no memories of middle school style locker stuffing or wedgies.