> Right, which is why I followed up with a categorical and complete description of the problems with your nonsensical word salad. Just because you disagree doe

> Right, which is why I followed up with a categorical and complete description of the problems with your nonsensical word salad. Just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to be provocative and impolite. It's also against HN's rules BTW. > Habeas corpus is the mechanism by which a person can report a suspected unlawful detention or imprisonment to a court, You're making a distinction without making a difference. People were detained without charges or probable cause and were not allowed legal remedy. > Obviously this has nothing at all to do with vaccines except in the fever swamps. I was talking about lockdowns... > Not therefore a right, got it. Just repeating a statement won't make it true, it just makes you arrogant. Informed consent directly derives from the right to bodily autonomy. It is such a basic right that if its blatant violation can be prosecuted regardless of jurisdiction. It is also protected by the 4h Amendment. > What you're referring to as 'socialized' here is the government, which we as citizens and resident aliens agree to recognize in order to increase and defend the common good. For example, we agree to being policed, we agree to being taxed, we agree to being bound by laws, and we agree in particular in this case to working together to try to stop the collapse of healthcare systems, even if that is inimical to the political chances of the president at the time. Actually "we" didn't "agree", what ever that means. The "common good" was never the foundation of the US, it was a Republic (thus power by and for the people) with limitations to protect individual liberties to limit the tyranny of the majority (the funding fathers were actually very critical of Athenian democracy BTW). Taxes and police have their legitimacy through elected officials. But lockdowns and forced vaccination were put into place through edicts, the vast majority of whom were struck down by the Supreme Court, and thus never had the consent of the people nor respected individual rights.