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Ah yes, the “trust me, this time the war on drugs will totally work” response.

thegrim33 3y ago
How do you explain all of the first world asian countries where drugs are insanely illegal, there very much have a massive war on drugs, and yet they have an amazing quality of life there without meth head zombies roaming the streets? Where it's apparent their war on drugs has very much worked?
- jjav 3y ago
  > Where it's apparent their war on drugs has very much worked? I'd bet (but hopefully someone can link to research) that there are many contributing factors for why vast hordes of people don't feel the need to numb themselves to death with drugs in those locations? Very few people voluntarily want to become addicts if they are having a happy fulfilling life. So why are there so many people in the US who see no other road to take?
  - cameldrv 3y ago
    There are plenty of people in these countries that have very difficult lives that might be prone to drug addiction if drugs were available, but they're not, so they aren't.
    - jjav 3y ago
      > if drugs were available, but they're not That's wishful thinking, it can't be done. No human society has ever been able to supress something for which there is a huge amount of inelastic demand. It can't be done. It's raw capitalism at its finest (maybe not finest, but most raw). If there is a huge demand, the supply will happen no matter what. It's simplistic to think of the drug trade in terms of the good guys who are pure and looking to stop it and the bad guys trying to create and sell it. When there are billions of dollars involved, these groups infiltrate each other constantly and are quite intertwined. You can find endless stories of how trafficking is done by the police themselves. No better way to avoid detection than by being there. One random recent example. https://abcnews.go.com/US/bay-area-police-union-leader-allegedly-smuggled-fentanyl/story?id=98271260 https://abcnews.go.com/US/bay-area-police-union-leader-alleg... If you want to stop drug trade, the one and only way is to eliminate (or at least reduce to inconsequential levels) the demand for it.

How do you explain all of the first world asian countries where drugs are insanely illegal, there very much have a massive war on drugs, and yet they have an amazing quality of life there without meth head zombies roaming the streets? Where it's apparent their war on drugs has very much worked?

jjav 3y ago
> Where it's apparent their war on drugs has very much worked? I'd bet (but hopefully someone can link to research) that there are many contributing factors for why vast hordes of people don't feel the need to numb themselves to death with drugs in those locations? Very few people voluntarily want to become addicts if they are having a happy fulfilling life. So why are there so many people in the US who see no other road to take?
- cameldrv 3y ago
  There are plenty of people in these countries that have very difficult lives that might be prone to drug addiction if drugs were available, but they're not, so they aren't.
  - jjav 3y ago
    > if drugs were available, but they're not That's wishful thinking, it can't be done. No human society has ever been able to supress something for which there is a huge amount of inelastic demand. It can't be done. It's raw capitalism at its finest (maybe not finest, but most raw). If there is a huge demand, the supply will happen no matter what. It's simplistic to think of the drug trade in terms of the good guys who are pure and looking to stop it and the bad guys trying to create and sell it. When there are billions of dollars involved, these groups infiltrate each other constantly and are quite intertwined. You can find endless stories of how trafficking is done by the police themselves. No better way to avoid detection than by being there. One random recent example. https://abcnews.go.com/US/bay-area-police-union-leader-allegedly-smuggled-fentanyl/story?id=98271260 https://abcnews.go.com/US/bay-area-police-union-leader-alleg... If you want to stop drug trade, the one and only way is to eliminate (or at least reduce to inconsequential levels) the demand for it.