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The American revolution was opposed by a majority, and man what a screwup, we could've been eating crumpets instead of building a (checks Google) $20 trillion d

by asah 3y ago

The American revolution was opposed by a majority, and man what a screwup, we could've been eating crumpets instead of building a (checks Google) $20 trillion dollar economy. /s https://www.google.com/search?q=was+the+American+revolution+popular https://www.google.com/search?q=was+the+American+revolution+...

lapcat 3y ago
I could definitely go for national health care right now.
- ilikehurdles 3y ago
  As a European immigrant to the US, turned US citizen, I would never take the flip side of my move; but, you can rest easy knowing you have that option. If you don’t know people who have expatriated to some degree out of the US, invest in widening your social circle.
  - CobrastanJorji 3y ago
    There's a good chance you're somehow tied to technology, though, and America pays its software engineers a frankly bonkers amount compared to much of Europe. That may way outweigh a lot of other considerations for you. But I also agree, I'd prefer to stay in the US than move to Europe. But I'd even more prefer to have some universal healthcare and also live in the US.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > As a European immigrant Could you be more specific? There are many countries in Europe, of course. > I would never take the flip side of my move I wasn't talking about moving; I was talking about having UK-style health care here in the US. > you can rest easy knowing you have that option Which option? > If you don’t know people who have expatriated to some degree out of the US, invest in widening your social circle. What was the purpose of this sentence?
    - ilikehurdles 3y ago
      The entire purpose of my comment was to provoke someone who understands the world through glib, thought-terminating catchphrases, into obnoxiously quote-replying every few words of my comment, independently of the context they were presented in.
- msla 3y ago
  Then don't go to the UK.
CobrastanJorji 3y ago
Canada's likely a pretty good model of what would have happened if we had not left England, and their GDP per capital is within spitting distance of the USA despite having a less favorable geography.
- starkparker 3y ago
  A pretty good 1:10 scale model in population, maybe. If the US were still in the Commonwealth, it'd be the second-largest nation in population by 110 million and the largest in GDP by about $20 trillion. Parent comment's GDP rounding error for the US is the entirety of the UK's 2019 GDP ($3.1T).
- cafard 3y ago
  The British administration of Canada was surely informed by the experiences of the 1770s. And Canada had its own rebellions, just not successful ones.
  - throw0101b 3y ago
    > The British administration of Canada was surely informed by the experiences of the 1770s. The British administration of Canada was different to begin with because Britain acquired Canada from conquering New France and so had a completely separate culture. And the way France ran then-New France / now-Canada was completely different to how the British 'ran' the colonies ('ran' is used loosely, as there was minimal oversight since they were each basically commercial ventures). For some interesting research on how the administration differences resulted in the cultural differences (even though the countries are right next to each other), see the book The origins of Canadian and American political differences: * https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674031364 https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674031364 * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3286270-the-origins-of-canadian-and-american-political-differences https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3286270-the-origins-of-c...
- futureshock 3y ago
  Doubtful. The US was the first government of its kind and it triggered the French Revolution and every anti-monarchist revolution since then. Canada and every other commonwealth state was influenced by that. The snowballing GDP under republics begin to have its own gravity until a huge portion of the world got pulled into our orbit. History is not a linear journey from point a to point b. Capitalist republics are not inevitable and liberalism is not assured. We could indeed all be bowing to Charles right now.
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School-Cotton 3y ago
I would be quite OK with living in a country whose GDP per capita is that of Canada or Australia.
BSEdlMMldESB 3y ago
the american civil war was the way the british crown took back control of their former colony catholicism is how rome beat down the 'barbarians', which ended up as the germanic holy roman empire
FredPret 3y ago
$25 trillion! https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp
CPLX 3y ago
There's a pretty strong case to be made that the American Revolution was just a British civil war.

by asah 3y ago

lapcat 3y ago

I could definitely go for national health care right now.

ilikehurdles 3y ago
As a European immigrant to the US, turned US citizen, I would never take the flip side of my move; but, you can rest easy knowing you have that option. If you don’t know people who have expatriated to some degree out of the US, invest in widening your social circle.
- CobrastanJorji 3y ago
  There's a good chance you're somehow tied to technology, though, and America pays its software engineers a frankly bonkers amount compared to much of Europe. That may way outweigh a lot of other considerations for you. But I also agree, I'd prefer to stay in the US than move to Europe. But I'd even more prefer to have some universal healthcare and also live in the US.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > As a European immigrant Could you be more specific? There are many countries in Europe, of course. > I would never take the flip side of my move I wasn't talking about moving; I was talking about having UK-style health care here in the US. > you can rest easy knowing you have that option Which option? > If you don’t know people who have expatriated to some degree out of the US, invest in widening your social circle. What was the purpose of this sentence?
  - ilikehurdles 3y ago
    The entire purpose of my comment was to provoke someone who understands the world through glib, thought-terminating catchphrases, into obnoxiously quote-replying every few words of my comment, independently of the context they were presented in.
msla 3y ago
Then don't go to the UK.

CobrastanJorji 3y ago

Canada's likely a pretty good model of what would have happened if we had not left England, and their GDP per capital is within spitting distance of the USA despite having a less favorable geography.

starkparker 3y ago
A pretty good 1:10 scale model in population, maybe. If the US were still in the Commonwealth, it'd be the second-largest nation in population by 110 million and the largest in GDP by about $20 trillion. Parent comment's GDP rounding error for the US is the entirety of the UK's 2019 GDP ($3.1T).
cafard 3y ago
The British administration of Canada was surely informed by the experiences of the 1770s. And Canada had its own rebellions, just not successful ones.
- throw0101b 3y ago
  > The British administration of Canada was surely informed by the experiences of the 1770s. The British administration of Canada was different to begin with because Britain acquired Canada from conquering New France and so had a completely separate culture. And the way France ran then-New France / now-Canada was completely different to how the British 'ran' the colonies ('ran' is used loosely, as there was minimal oversight since they were each basically commercial ventures). For some interesting research on how the administration differences resulted in the cultural differences (even though the countries are right next to each other), see the book The origins of Canadian and American political differences: * https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674031364 https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674031364 * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3286270-the-origins-of-canadian-and-american-political-differences https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3286270-the-origins-of-c...
futureshock 3y ago
Doubtful. The US was the first government of its kind and it triggered the French Revolution and every anti-monarchist revolution since then. Canada and every other commonwealth state was influenced by that. The snowballing GDP under republics begin to have its own gravity until a huge portion of the world got pulled into our orbit. History is not a linear journey from point a to point b. Capitalist republics are not inevitable and liberalism is not assured. We could indeed all be bowing to Charles right now.

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School-Cotton 3y ago

I would be quite OK with living in a country whose GDP per capita is that of Canada or Australia.

BSEdlMMldESB 3y ago

the american civil war was the way the british crown took back control of their former colony catholicism is how rome beat down the 'barbarians', which ended up as the germanic holy roman empire

FredPret 3y ago

$25 trillion! https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp

CPLX 3y ago

There's a pretty strong case to be made that the American Revolution was just a British civil war.