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I know recruiters working half the year making $500k from beaches in the Caribbean.

by Eumenes 3y ago

bdcravens 3y ago
Recruiters suck, but they do provide value.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  I'm happy to agree that some recruiters provide value, but on average? I don't know how to objectively tell, but it sure seems like spray-and-pray is still the most common approach, and that doesn't seem valuable.
  - snapetom 3y ago
    I view recruiters the same way as product managers. Most are terrible and cause more headaches than they solve, but a good one is worth their weight in gold. Full disclosure - I am a mediocre product manager. First PM role after 20 years in engineering.
    - jwestbury 3y ago
      As someone considering a similar pivot, I'd be interested in hearing about your move into PM from engineering!
      - snapetom 3y ago
        My company is kind of unique and I just urge you to throughly research the company, culture, and situation. I'm a hybrid product/engineering manager, while everyone else is strictly product manager with engineering counterparts. Long story short, this company is in the middle of being cleaned up by private equity. It used to be a cost center, and has never made money in its history. In my opinion, engineers were allowed to do whatever they wanted with no oversight. There were some god-awful, appalling business and engineering practices here. Honestly, I didn't really absorb all the red flags. I was more enamored with the idea of a career change and trying something different. I think I was particularly targeted for the role because I was previously an engineering manager. My product is universally hated and had been left for dead. I've had to milk everything I can from one real engineer and several data/business analysts to get it resurrected. Part of that is mentoring the DA/BAs how to do basic git branches and commits while butting heads with the engineer to get him to stop doing psychotic things. Just this morning we got into it because I stopped allowing direct pushes to master. Honestly, this situation is such depressing, pain in the ass, but the moments where I get to be a real PM has been pretty fun. Just listening to customers and relaying what we're doing different has been rewarding.
nextworddev 3y ago
Still?
- Eumenes 3y ago
  Why still? In-house corporate recruiters working at Big tech are not making the Lions share of money available in that field. Good recruiters work on commission and not fixed salary.
- lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
  You make it sound like they're obsolete. The number of applicants per role has increased dramatically since the pandemic. A recruiter who can sift through thousands of those applicants and accurately identify who's worth talking to and who's a ChatGPT bot is worth their weight in gold.

I know recruiters working half the year making $500k from beaches in the Caribbean.

bdcravens 3y ago

Recruiters suck, but they do provide value.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
I'm happy to agree that some recruiters provide value, but on average? I don't know how to objectively tell, but it sure seems like spray-and-pray is still the most common approach, and that doesn't seem valuable.
- snapetom 3y ago
  I view recruiters the same way as product managers. Most are terrible and cause more headaches than they solve, but a good one is worth their weight in gold. Full disclosure - I am a mediocre product manager. First PM role after 20 years in engineering.
  - jwestbury 3y ago
    As someone considering a similar pivot, I'd be interested in hearing about your move into PM from engineering!
    - snapetom 3y ago
      My company is kind of unique and I just urge you to throughly research the company, culture, and situation. I'm a hybrid product/engineering manager, while everyone else is strictly product manager with engineering counterparts. Long story short, this company is in the middle of being cleaned up by private equity. It used to be a cost center, and has never made money in its history. In my opinion, engineers were allowed to do whatever they wanted with no oversight. There were some god-awful, appalling business and engineering practices here. Honestly, I didn't really absorb all the red flags. I was more enamored with the idea of a career change and trying something different. I think I was particularly targeted for the role because I was previously an engineering manager. My product is universally hated and had been left for dead. I've had to milk everything I can from one real engineer and several data/business analysts to get it resurrected. Part of that is mentoring the DA/BAs how to do basic git branches and commits while butting heads with the engineer to get him to stop doing psychotic things. Just this morning we got into it because I stopped allowing direct pushes to master. Honestly, this situation is such depressing, pain in the ass, but the moments where I get to be a real PM has been pretty fun. Just listening to customers and relaying what we're doing different has been rewarding.

nextworddev 3y ago

Still?

Eumenes 3y ago
Why still? In-house corporate recruiters working at Big tech are not making the Lions share of money available in that field. Good recruiters work on commission and not fixed salary.
lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
You make it sound like they're obsolete. The number of applicants per role has increased dramatically since the pandemic. A recruiter who can sift through thousands of those applicants and accurately identify who's worth talking to and who's a ChatGPT bot is worth their weight in gold.