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I think misanthropes aren't being enabled by articles like the above. Many of them honestly don't care deep down about the damage they do. Others like Mark Wa
by metacritic12 3y ago
I think misanthropes aren't being enabled by articles like the above.
Many of them honestly don't care deep down about the damage they do.
Others like Mark Wahlberg just "forgive themselves" for blinding a neighbor as a teen, even if their actual victim doesn't forgive them, so they can feel better about themselves mentally. https://time.com/3623630/mark-wahlberg-pardon/ https://time.com/3623630/mark-wahlberg-pardon/
- amp108 3y agoI don't know what's inside Mark Wahlberg's heart, but let's suppose it's someone whom, for the sake of argument, we know truly regrets their actions: what are they supposed to do if another person doesn't forgive them?
- miiiiiike 3y agoIf they can’t or won’t forgive you: Try not to make the same mistake twice. You can’t control what other people do, only how you react to it.
- pmarreck 3y agoAs the article says, they should be pushing for redemption opportunities for all convicted felons (based on a humanistic perspective), not just themselves (based on some confused notion of an “I have become successful enough to buy high-priced lawyers to retcon my rap sheet since I have redeemed myself” perspective)
- mrguyorama 3y agoAccept that sometimes when you do a bad thing that permanently harms someone else you don't deserve forgiveness (not everyone is christian FFS) and it's not wrong for that to follow you around forever. If that makes you uncomfortable, too fucking bad, don't irreversibly blind someone.
- norir 3y agoJudge not, lest ye be judged.
- hiatus 3y agoAs if that were the case. If only those that did not judge were spared judgement themselves.
- bandie91 3y agoimportant to note that it is not an absolute command. it's qualified as it follows: "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
- stronglikedan 3y agoAccepting those things seems like a miserable way to live. No thanks. I prefer to move on with my life, even when I was wronged.
- Jiro 3y agoThis is about if you have wronged someone else, not if you are wronged, If you've wronged someone else, maybe you should live miserably if you can't possibly make up for the wrong.
- superb_dev 3y agoAre some accidents truly unforgivable? No one should be punished for the rest of their life because they wronged someone in their childhood. If they’ve grown, feel remorse and regret, then they’ve done their time and need to forgive themselves. There no point in carrying around such a burden. Very few people deserve to be miserable.
- mrguyorama 3y agoThis post does not limit itself to true accidents. Indeed, both people involved were negligent. Preventable harm that you do not prevent through your own choices can very well be unforgivable. Pretending that everything should be forgivable is a heinous thing to do to victims, and they have every right to not forgive or forget if you have caused them irreversible harm through negligence or accident. A victim has the right to never forget how you changed their life. You do not have a right to be free from the burden you have caused someone else.
- pharrington 3y agoHe did real harm that his victim did not forgive, so he's supposed to hold that. You're not supposed to ask the governor for an official pardon, erasing his crime from the criminal record. edit: "“My hope is that, if I receive a pardon, troubled youths will see this as an inspiration and motivation that they too can turn their lives around,” he writes." Yeah, I DO NOT believe the world famous multimillionaire needs a governor's pardon to help kids. edit2: given the wikipedia article https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36805073's https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36805073's links to, it seems like Wahlberg himself now doesn't believe he should have tried to obtain a pardon.
- ottoludd 3y agoWhile he did attack two men, the blinded victim actually lost his eye prior to the incident and claimed Wahlberg didn't inflict any lasting damage. Apparently Marky Mark mistakenly believed he blinded the man. Not that I'm defending him, I don't even like him.
- miiiiiike 3y agoDidn’t call it enabling, more of a retroactive salve. Responded to a similar comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36802843 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36802843
- allturtles 3y agoWikipedia says he didn't actually blind the victim[0]. If true, this is fitting given the context of the OP. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wahlberg#Legal_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wahlberg#Legal_issues.
- metacritic12 3y agoAh, that Wikipedia article changed since last time. Which does illustrate the OP's point. Thanks for the correction. Still, Wahlberg did some terrible stuff and basically just said "forgiving myself is enough".
- archon1410 3y agoTangential: those who couldn't care less would be nihilists, or sadists. "Misanthrope" is better reserved for something else. I guess it all just blends together from certain standpoints... it shouldn't.
- gary_0 3y agoSupertangential: Nihilists just don't believe existence is intrinsically meaningful, and sadists take pleasure in inflicting suffering. A more correct term for someone who is indifferent to the suffering they cause might be a "narcissist" or "sociopath".
- ants_everywhere 3y agoMark Wahlberg didn't blind that guy -- he lost his eye in Vietnam. Also he forgave Wahlberg. But Wahlberg believed he had blinded him, so it's basically the same story as the OP article. https://jezebel.com/mark-wahlberg-beating-victim-says-actor-did-not-blind-h-1670074037 https://jezebel.com/mark-wahlberg-beating-victim-says-actor-...
- zimpenfish 3y ago> Mark Wahlberg didn't blind that guy -- he lost his eye in Vietnam. Call me an old cynic but I'd love to see the old fella's bank account around 2014 given he seems to have waited 26 years to clear that up and it happened to coincide with Wahlberg asking for a pardon.