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For other, less brain-wormed people, being trans is not considered a mental illness. Maybe it was in the past, similarly to how being gay used to be considered

For other, less brain-wormed people, being trans is not considered a mental illness. Maybe it was in the past, similarly to how being gay used to be considered a mental illness; but it definitely isn't today. Gender dysphoria, is a mental health condition, like depression, but it is treatable through transition.

LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
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- enragedcacti 3y ago
  > If you truly believe that this is the supported medical intervention, then you should be able to find a clear explanation of this - including the adults who are giving the child these restrictions and this gendered-soul vocabulary - and the surgical interventions it requires. A doctor and their clinic should have this on their webpage and they should be proud of the work they do. Believe it or not this information is extremely easy to find and the standards of care used by a huge number of practitioners (WPATH) are free to download and peruse at your leisure: https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc As just one example, the Boston children's hospital has their Guidelines and Standards of Care listed in multiple places on their website. This of course did not help them avoid the avalanche of bomb threats they received from individuals who were presumably very concerned and willing to listen. https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/gender-services/physician-resources https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/gender-services/p... https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-surgery-program https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-sur...
  - jonhohle 3y ago
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        enragedcacti 3y ago
        Please let me know the specific issues you have with e.g. any of these 55 studies that passed peer review: https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/%20what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people%20/ https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equali...
        jonhohle 3y ago
        Thanks for the link, but it will only confirm what you and I both believe for opposite reasons. The latest paper from the link reinforces the idea that long term post surgery QoL decreases after an an initial short term increase. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5440516/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5440516/ Edit to add: as the father of two neuro-atypical kids I have an interest in therapy’s that help them get through life with their unique gifts. Were I offered a therapy that placated their idiosyncrasies in the short term only to harm them in the long term, it would quickly be rejected from all options, doubly were it permanently damaging to them in some way. Unfortunately, psychology is full of pop “therapies” that cause significant harm to vulnerable populations who are left to deal with the consequences.
  - LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
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    - enragedcacti 3y ago
      The vast, vast majority of gender affirming care for children is social transition, then maybe puberty blockers, then maybe hormones. SRS is exceedingly rare for under-18s and the massive focus you are putting on it suggests to me that your sources are extremely biased or outright disingenuous. Again look to WPATH, where absolutely no medical intervention whatsoeveris suggested for prepubescent children (S69). Practically all of your questions have answers either in WPATH SoC or have been heavily discussed in the transgender community or in the medical community. It would be worth your time to see those perspectives.
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    - a_shovel 3y ago
      I don't know any trans people who believe any of the things that you're suggesting they do. Literally every single one of your claims about what trans people believe are false; I count at least 7 distinct ones. (I can enumerate them if you'd like.) It's honestly impressive how little your world view overlaps with reality. On another note, in this comment you mentioned the genitals of children and surgery on the genitals of children ten times. Given that genital surgery for children is not something that transgender activists are advocating for, I must ask you why you seem so fixated on the topic?

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enragedcacti 3y ago
> If you truly believe that this is the supported medical intervention, then you should be able to find a clear explanation of this - including the adults who are giving the child these restrictions and this gendered-soul vocabulary - and the surgical interventions it requires. A doctor and their clinic should have this on their webpage and they should be proud of the work they do. Believe it or not this information is extremely easy to find and the standards of care used by a huge number of practitioners (WPATH) are free to download and peruse at your leisure: https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc As just one example, the Boston children's hospital has their Guidelines and Standards of Care listed in multiple places on their website. This of course did not help them avoid the avalanche of bomb threats they received from individuals who were presumably very concerned and willing to listen. https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/gender-services/physician-resources https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/gender-services/p... https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-surgery-program https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-sur...
- jonhohle 3y ago
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    - LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
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      - enragedcacti 3y ago
        Please let me know the specific issues you have with e.g. any of these 55 studies that passed peer review: https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/%20what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people%20/ https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equali...
        jonhohle 3y ago
        Thanks for the link, but it will only confirm what you and I both believe for opposite reasons. The latest paper from the link reinforces the idea that long term post surgery QoL decreases after an an initial short term increase. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5440516/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5440516/ Edit to add: as the father of two neuro-atypical kids I have an interest in therapy’s that help them get through life with their unique gifts. Were I offered a therapy that placated their idiosyncrasies in the short term only to harm them in the long term, it would quickly be rejected from all options, doubly were it permanently damaging to them in some way. Unfortunately, psychology is full of pop “therapies” that cause significant harm to vulnerable populations who are left to deal with the consequences.
- LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
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  - enragedcacti 3y ago
    The vast, vast majority of gender affirming care for children is social transition, then maybe puberty blockers, then maybe hormones. SRS is exceedingly rare for under-18s and the massive focus you are putting on it suggests to me that your sources are extremely biased or outright disingenuous. Again look to WPATH, where absolutely no medical intervention whatsoeveris suggested for prepubescent children (S69). Practically all of your questions have answers either in WPATH SoC or have been heavily discussed in the transgender community or in the medical community. It would be worth your time to see those perspectives.
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  - a_shovel 3y ago
    I don't know any trans people who believe any of the things that you're suggesting they do. Literally every single one of your claims about what trans people believe are false; I count at least 7 distinct ones. (I can enumerate them if you'd like.) It's honestly impressive how little your world view overlaps with reality. On another note, in this comment you mentioned the genitals of children and surgery on the genitals of children ten times. Given that genital surgery for children is not something that transgender activists are advocating for, I must ask you why you seem so fixated on the topic?