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"sensitive" as a criteria is a dead giveaway they are censors advertising themselves as the opposite. It's an evolved brand of censor; like some types of predat

"sensitive" as a criteria is a dead giveaway they are censors advertising themselves as the opposite. It's an evolved brand of censor; like some types of predator snakes that have evolved to mimic its harmless prey.

anigbrowl 3y ago
Feel free to back up this assertion with examples. I hope you'll come back with something better than 'I couldn't find anything about Hunter Biden's laptop.'
- gorwell 3y ago
  Feel free to explain why an "uncensored library" would have this criteria.
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    You made the claim. I suggest you back it up instead of trying to redirect. Lots of propaganda tries to wrap itself in the moral mantle of journalism, I am fine with the curators being somewhat opinionated.
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    having criteria for inclusion is not censorship
    - DinoDad13 3y ago
      that's all moderation
      - LoganDark 3y ago
        i fail to explain how they differ so you are probably right
    - pessimizer 3y ago
      Are you sure? Doesn't it depend on the criteria? What if my criteria is that the author not be Catholic, or that they aren't competing with my son in the pork industry?
      - LoganDark 3y ago
        that depends on whether your definition of censorship is the prevention of speech or prevention of dissemination of speech, whether books count as speech, whether choosing to include existing books in a library counts as speech i think it's fairly common knowledge that preventing the publishing of a book in the first place probably counts as censorship, but considering the nature of this library it becomes pretty fuzzy
    - tivert 3y ago
      > having criteria for inclusion is not censorship So if the State of Florida sets a criteria for inclusion for it's library collections of "not gay," then it's not censorship in your mind? "Criteria for inclusion" and "censorship" are the exact same thing, the only difference between them is how the speaker feels about it.
      - LoganDark 3y ago
        i'm not performing censorship by selecting which files i download from the internet, am i? > "Criteria for inclusion" and "censorship" are the exact same thing, the only difference between them is how the speaker feels about it. yes, this is very important, which is exactly why a library like this selecting which works to include is not censorship. now if people intentionally submitted their own works and the library tried to hide or deny the existence of those requests, now that would be censorship i think state libraries are in a slightly different situation. it is definitely fuzzy though
        tivert 3y ago
        > i'm not performing censorship by selecting which files i download from the internet, am i? Yes, because that's an irrelevant activity to this topic. > yes, this is very important, which is exactly why a library like this selecting which works to include is not censorship. At least in contemporary liberal culture, words like "censorship" and "ban" are frequently used to label "criteria for inclusion" that the speaker disagrees with. > now if people intentionally submitted their own works and the library tried to hide or deny the existence of those requests, now that would be censorship That's one kind of censorship, but not the only kind (see above).
  - itronitron 3y ago
    time and money
- pessimizer 3y ago
  > I hope you'll come back with something better than 'I couldn't find anything about Hunter Biden's laptop.' Why wouldn't that be good enough?
  - dmbche 3y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controve... How is something that has a wikipedia page censored in any way?
    - thowaway23422 3y ago
      We already have testimonies from Mark Zuckerberg and Twitter Executives. If that isn't enough, nothing will be.
- Levitz 3y ago
  Do you require examples of this library specifically or general examples of this happening? If you are ok with general, the cases of Monkeypox not that long ago are an evident example. The reality of the matter is that it affected almost exclusively homosexual men, yet since that would have hurt LGBT sensitivities, it was often omitted and even campaigned against.
  - dmbche 3y ago
    Spent a few minutes looking into "monkeypox" It's a illness coming from a virus. Don't understand why homosexuals are related in any way to censorship here.... (Edit: for anyone interested : https://glaad.org/mpox/ https://glaad.org/mpox/ The censoring is nowhere to be seen Edit2:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/16/opinion/gay-men-mpox.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/16/opinion/gay-men-mpox.html Like what do you even mean? What was censored? ) Maybe find a solid example?

anigbrowl 3y ago

Feel free to back up this assertion with examples. I hope you'll come back with something better than 'I couldn't find anything about Hunter Biden's laptop.'

gorwell 3y ago
Feel free to explain why an "uncensored library" would have this criteria.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  You made the claim. I suggest you back it up instead of trying to redirect. Lots of propaganda tries to wrap itself in the moral mantle of journalism, I am fine with the curators being somewhat opinionated.
- LoganDark 3y ago
  having criteria for inclusion is not censorship
  - DinoDad13 3y ago
    that's all moderation
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      i fail to explain how they differ so you are probably right
  - pessimizer 3y ago
    Are you sure? Doesn't it depend on the criteria? What if my criteria is that the author not be Catholic, or that they aren't competing with my son in the pork industry?
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      that depends on whether your definition of censorship is the prevention of speech or prevention of dissemination of speech, whether books count as speech, whether choosing to include existing books in a library counts as speech i think it's fairly common knowledge that preventing the publishing of a book in the first place probably counts as censorship, but considering the nature of this library it becomes pretty fuzzy
  - tivert 3y ago
    > having criteria for inclusion is not censorship So if the State of Florida sets a criteria for inclusion for it's library collections of "not gay," then it's not censorship in your mind? "Criteria for inclusion" and "censorship" are the exact same thing, the only difference between them is how the speaker feels about it.
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      i'm not performing censorship by selecting which files i download from the internet, am i? > "Criteria for inclusion" and "censorship" are the exact same thing, the only difference between them is how the speaker feels about it. yes, this is very important, which is exactly why a library like this selecting which works to include is not censorship. now if people intentionally submitted their own works and the library tried to hide or deny the existence of those requests, now that would be censorship i think state libraries are in a slightly different situation. it is definitely fuzzy though
      - tivert 3y ago
        > i'm not performing censorship by selecting which files i download from the internet, am i? Yes, because that's an irrelevant activity to this topic. > yes, this is very important, which is exactly why a library like this selecting which works to include is not censorship. At least in contemporary liberal culture, words like "censorship" and "ban" are frequently used to label "criteria for inclusion" that the speaker disagrees with. > now if people intentionally submitted their own works and the library tried to hide or deny the existence of those requests, now that would be censorship That's one kind of censorship, but not the only kind (see above).
- itronitron 3y ago
  time and money
pessimizer 3y ago
> I hope you'll come back with something better than 'I couldn't find anything about Hunter Biden's laptop.' Why wouldn't that be good enough?
- dmbche 3y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controve... How is something that has a wikipedia page censored in any way?
  - thowaway23422 3y ago
    We already have testimonies from Mark Zuckerberg and Twitter Executives. If that isn't enough, nothing will be.
Levitz 3y ago
Do you require examples of this library specifically or general examples of this happening? If you are ok with general, the cases of Monkeypox not that long ago are an evident example. The reality of the matter is that it affected almost exclusively homosexual men, yet since that would have hurt LGBT sensitivities, it was often omitted and even campaigned against.
- dmbche 3y ago
  Spent a few minutes looking into "monkeypox" It's a illness coming from a virus. Don't understand why homosexuals are related in any way to censorship here.... (Edit: for anyone interested : https://glaad.org/mpox/ https://glaad.org/mpox/ The censoring is nowhere to be seen Edit2:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/16/opinion/gay-men-mpox.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/16/opinion/gay-men-mpox.html Like what do you even mean? What was censored? ) Maybe find a solid example?