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In addition to the attribution, I'd like to know how they are going to comply with the "share-alike" part of the license. Where can I download "Apple maps"? A

by mokus 15y ago

In addition to the attribution, I'd like to know how they are going to comply with the "share-alike" part of the license. Where can I download "Apple maps"? According to the OSM FAQ, it should contain not only the OSM data but all other data they have merged in. It also seems like they should be required to release all the styling parameters and/or code needed to render the maps exactly as they appear in iPhoto - does anyone know how far CC-BY-SA reaches in a case like this? EDIT: for that last part, I guess they probably would be fine just releasing the whole thing pre-rendered.

rmc 15y ago
No-one really know how far CC goes, and that's one reason OSM is changing licence to a new Open Database Licence (ODbL)
- oconnor0 15y ago
  Why wouldn't CC cover this?
  - sirclueless 15y ago
    Because they aren't distributing OSM data or a renderer, just images created from OSM data.
  - rmc 15y ago
    OSM is a database of geographic facts ("There is a road here. It is called Main Street. It is a primary road." etc.) Copyright of databases is non-obvious, so they are switching to a click through database EULA thingie.
    - aidenn0 15y ago
      Copyright of databases has on several occasions been overturned See Feist V. Rural "The constitutional requirement necessitates independent creation plus a modicum of creativity. Since facts do not owe their origin to an act of authorship, they are not original, and thus are not copyrightable. Although a compilation of facts may possess the requisite originality because the author typically chooses which facts to include, in what order to place them, and how to arrange the data so that readers may use them effectively, copyright protection extends only to those components of the work that are original to the author, not to the facts themselves. This fact/expression dichotomy severely limits the scope of protection in fact-based works." Whether or not the street data is copyrightable in light of this decision is definitely sketchy; the tiles etc. clearly are since they have some modicum of creativity.
      - rmc 15y ago
        And remember that OSM is a global project, that works in many countries, with different interpretations of copyright law. You don't want it to be open in some countries, public domain in others etc etc
  - rmc 15y ago
    Here is an explaination from the OpenStreetMap Foundation on why CC isn't great for OSM: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Why_CC_BY-SA_is_Unsuitable http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Why_CC_BY-SA_is_Un...

by mokus 15y ago

rmc 15y ago

No-one really know how far CC goes, and that's one reason OSM is changing licence to a new Open Database Licence (ODbL)

oconnor0 15y ago
Why wouldn't CC cover this?
- sirclueless 15y ago
  Because they aren't distributing OSM data or a renderer, just images created from OSM data.
- rmc 15y ago
  OSM is a database of geographic facts ("There is a road here. It is called Main Street. It is a primary road." etc.) Copyright of databases is non-obvious, so they are switching to a click through database EULA thingie.
  - aidenn0 15y ago
    Copyright of databases has on several occasions been overturned See Feist V. Rural "The constitutional requirement necessitates independent creation plus a modicum of creativity. Since facts do not owe their origin to an act of authorship, they are not original, and thus are not copyrightable. Although a compilation of facts may possess the requisite originality because the author typically chooses which facts to include, in what order to place them, and how to arrange the data so that readers may use them effectively, copyright protection extends only to those components of the work that are original to the author, not to the facts themselves. This fact/expression dichotomy severely limits the scope of protection in fact-based works." Whether or not the street data is copyrightable in light of this decision is definitely sketchy; the tiles etc. clearly are since they have some modicum of creativity.
    - rmc 15y ago
      And remember that OSM is a global project, that works in many countries, with different interpretations of copyright law. You don't want it to be open in some countries, public domain in others etc etc
- rmc 15y ago
  Here is an explaination from the OpenStreetMap Foundation on why CC isn't great for OSM: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Why_CC_BY-SA_is_Unsuitable http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Why_CC_BY-SA_is_Un...