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What's more, a National Security Letter is not necessarily addressed to the company's executives and lawyers. A National Security Letter could be send to some

What's more, a National Security Letter is not necessarily addressed to the company's executives and lawyers. A National Security Letter could be send to somebody lower in the organization, closer to the targeted data (for instance a sysadmin) with a clause threatening them with prison time if they tell anybody, even their boss or company lawyers about it. They can essentially conscript anybody in the company to work as a spy using (probably bullshit but still intimidating) legal threats to keep them quiet.

sidewndr46 3y ago
I didn't consider that, but it aligns with my experience as well. From a C-Level perspective that is probably desirable as they don't want to get involved with that sort of thing in the first place.
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owenmarshall 3y ago
Is there any evidence that low-level people have been targeted, or is this just speculation around what could happen? Yes, "evidence for a secret program" is a bit tricky to produce, but the one I know of - Doe v. Ashcroft - the president of the company was compelled to produce data. I'd be very surprised if this wasn't the universal approach.
lolinder 3y ago
This sounds scary, but unlikely. Do you have a source that this tactic is used and effective? My immediate reaction to such a letter would be to contact the company legal department regardless of whether the letter said not to, simply because I'd assume unless given very good evidence (and originating from a .gov domain isn't good enough) that it was a scam. Edit: According to the EFF you can talk to an attorney about an NSL. https://www.eff.org/issues/national-security-letters/faq#24 https://www.eff.org/issues/national-security-letters/faq#24
- sidewndr46 3y ago
  I would not suggest taking legal advice from the EFF. You might as well contact the sovereign citizen movement at that point.
bastardoperator 3y ago
Letters can be intercepted, letters have tracking, letters of this magnitude will require certification, and at the very least will require a courier. All of that assumes the letter can be delivered, and also assumes that the recipient believes that the letter is authentic. If I sent you an authentic looking NSA letter, would you just do what you're told? Fat chance... An email/phone call to a legal department is much less work and provides all the same protections.

sidewndr46 3y ago

I didn't consider that, but it aligns with my experience as well. From a C-Level perspective that is probably desirable as they don't want to get involved with that sort of thing in the first place.

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owenmarshall 3y ago

Is there any evidence that low-level people have been targeted, or is this just speculation around what could happen? Yes, "evidence for a secret program" is a bit tricky to produce, but the one I know of - Doe v. Ashcroft - the president of the company was compelled to produce data. I'd be very surprised if this wasn't the universal approach.

lolinder 3y ago

This sounds scary, but unlikely. Do you have a source that this tactic is used and effective? My immediate reaction to such a letter would be to contact the company legal department regardless of whether the letter said not to, simply because I'd assume unless given very good evidence (and originating from a .gov domain isn't good enough) that it was a scam. Edit: According to the EFF you can talk to an attorney about an NSL. https://www.eff.org/issues/national-security-letters/faq#24 https://www.eff.org/issues/national-security-letters/faq#24

sidewndr46 3y ago
I would not suggest taking legal advice from the EFF. You might as well contact the sovereign citizen movement at that point.

bastardoperator 3y ago

Letters can be intercepted, letters have tracking, letters of this magnitude will require certification, and at the very least will require a courier. All of that assumes the letter can be delivered, and also assumes that the recipient believes that the letter is authentic. If I sent you an authentic looking NSA letter, would you just do what you're told? Fat chance... An email/phone call to a legal department is much less work and provides all the same protections.