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>Hate crime is a fucking stupid term; a crime is a crime is a crime. Is a crime a crime? Why are there first degree murder, second degree murder, and voluntary
by 542354234235 3y ago
>Hate crime is a fucking stupid term; a crime is a crime is a crime.
Is a crime a crime? Why are there first degree murder, second degree murder, and voluntary manslaughter? They are all the act of killing someone intentionally, with the only difference being the person's thought process and motivation. Most crimes involve taking into consideration the reasons for the act as part of what makes a crime a crime. So, hate crimes are not some outlier in how crimes are defined and differentiated.
> if targeting one group deserves special treatment, then targeting any group should get the same. Equal application of the law, y'know?
Hate crimes (and protected classes in general) are not “one group” nor are they randomly picked. At the federal level, they are race, religion, ethnicity, disability, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, and/or gender identity, which basically fall into two different categories; what you are and what you believe. None of them are for what job you happen to choose to do. The “special treatment” statements is particularly fallacious, since most hate crime laws came in response systematic violence committed against these groups and them not receiving equal protection under the law. We don’t have anti lynching laws to give black people special treatment.
- zdragnar 3y agoThat's not what first and second degree murder or manslaughter are. The result is the same for the victim, but the specific actions and intentions are different. Put another way, why is it better if I murder someone because I hate vegans, or meat eaters, or poor people, or rich people, or car drivers or pedestrians than someone of a protected group? Adding new laws doesn't make them be enforced any better, so I don't buy the "systemic" argument. Either someone is tried and found guilty or not.