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I've always thought hate crime laws are so misguided. It's just another law to use against people you don't like. Piling on charges for no other reason other th

I've always thought hate crime laws are so misguided. It's just another law to use against people you don't like. Piling on charges for no other reason other than making you feel good. Do you like the perp? No: Hate crime Yes: The brain isn't fully formed yet I worked on the low end of a giant corporation and they would always add new rules, seemingly targeting people they we trying to fire. Stupid rules like you can't wear white shoes or you have to shave everyday. Each rule targeting a certain employee they didn't like.

rootusrootus 3y ago
What's the difference between first degree murder and second degree murder? Is that any different than a hate crime designation?
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  Premeditation and planning is the difference between federal first and second degree murder.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    Intent, essentially. This sounds the same as a hate crime designation, which is also a matter of intent.
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      Hate crimes are actually not really based on intent. They are based on motivation. You commit a crime because of a protected characteristic if you act “wholly or partially” because of that characteristic. This may be demonstrated by showing that you were biased against the victim. Think of it this way: 1) what did you do 2) what were you trying to do 3) why did you want to do that 4) what led you to want that. Bias plays into the last two while intent is more about the second. There are some overlaps, but I would consider what intent to be different. Intent is what outcome you are trying to achieve. Motivation is Why you want to achieve that outcome.
bobbylarrybobby 3y ago
I believe the basis of hate crime laws is that the act of committing the crime is low-grade terrorism. When you attack someone because of their membership in a particular (protected) group, you're also sending a message to everyone else in the group that they could be next.
- SauciestGNU 3y ago
  Yes, but "cop" is a job that can be quit, not an innate characteristic, and it's a political function of the government. Suppressing speech against police in any way is an infringement of the most basic expressive rights we supposedly have.
542354234235 3y ago
Crimes are often differentiated based on the perpetrators motivation, thought process, and reasoning. They do this for two reasons; the severity of the crime can be informed by them and the likelihood of recidivism and path to rehabilitation. Take first degree and second degree murder. Both are the intentional taking of someone’s life, but are differentiated based of intent. Someone that decides to murder their spouse, plans it out, and carries it out is first degree murder. Someone that walks in on their spouse with another person, grabs a gun and fires is second degree. The second degree murderer can learn to control their anger and impulse control, the first degree murderer can just learn how to plan better to not get caught. The first degree murderer had time to think about the crime and decided it was an acceptable way to solve their problem. Hate crimes are crimes where the motivation and thought process are against a class of people. They didn’t commit the crime because they were mad at their wife for cheating or mad at the person that the person that cut them off and then swore at them. They were motivated to commit the crime because the victim existed. Finally, hate crimes are typically put in place because the justice system itself fails to provide equal protection, and because hate crime perpetrators are often protected from justice. There is a reason anti-lynching laws are named after Emmett Till. I can't believe that you could look at the history of any group now protected under hate crime laws and say "yes, these are definitely laws to target the poor marginalized perpetrators".
- costanzaDynasty 3y ago
  Yup, that's a hate crime description. And depending on what state or the ripple of pop culture and social media, lies the inequality. But really what it is, another tax law onto the rats nest. You have more than enough laws to render reasonable justice. The people that hate crime laws try to protect would be served with better lawyers to advocate for the people caught between and around the criminal justice system.

rootusrootus 3y ago

What's the difference between first degree murder and second degree murder? Is that any different than a hate crime designation?

s1artibartfast 3y ago
Premeditation and planning is the difference between federal first and second degree murder.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  Intent, essentially. This sounds the same as a hate crime designation, which is also a matter of intent.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    Hate crimes are actually not really based on intent. They are based on motivation. You commit a crime because of a protected characteristic if you act “wholly or partially” because of that characteristic. This may be demonstrated by showing that you were biased against the victim. Think of it this way: 1) what did you do 2) what were you trying to do 3) why did you want to do that 4) what led you to want that. Bias plays into the last two while intent is more about the second. There are some overlaps, but I would consider what intent to be different. Intent is what outcome you are trying to achieve. Motivation is Why you want to achieve that outcome.

bobbylarrybobby 3y ago

I believe the basis of hate crime laws is that the act of committing the crime is low-grade terrorism. When you attack someone because of their membership in a particular (protected) group, you're also sending a message to everyone else in the group that they could be next.

SauciestGNU 3y ago
Yes, but "cop" is a job that can be quit, not an innate characteristic, and it's a political function of the government. Suppressing speech against police in any way is an infringement of the most basic expressive rights we supposedly have.

542354234235 3y ago

Crimes are often differentiated based on the perpetrators motivation, thought process, and reasoning. They do this for two reasons; the severity of the crime can be informed by them and the likelihood of recidivism and path to rehabilitation. Take first degree and second degree murder. Both are the intentional taking of someone’s life, but are differentiated based of intent. Someone that decides to murder their spouse, plans it out, and carries it out is first degree murder. Someone that walks in on their spouse with another person, grabs a gun and fires is second degree. The second degree murderer can learn to control their anger and impulse control, the first degree murderer can just learn how to plan better to not get caught. The first degree murderer had time to think about the crime and decided it was an acceptable way to solve their problem. Hate crimes are crimes where the motivation and thought process are against a class of people. They didn’t commit the crime because they were mad at their wife for cheating or mad at the person that the person that cut them off and then swore at them. They were motivated to commit the crime because the victim existed. Finally, hate crimes are typically put in place because the justice system itself fails to provide equal protection, and because hate crime perpetrators are often protected from justice. There is a reason anti-lynching laws are named after Emmett Till. I can't believe that you could look at the history of any group now protected under hate crime laws and say "yes, these are definitely laws to target the poor marginalized perpetrators".

costanzaDynasty 3y ago
Yup, that's a hate crime description. And depending on what state or the ripple of pop culture and social media, lies the inequality. But really what it is, another tax law onto the rats nest. You have more than enough laws to render reasonable justice. The people that hate crime laws try to protect would be served with better lawyers to advocate for the people caught between and around the criminal justice system.