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Didn't democracy just force us all inside for two years? Tyranny of the majority is always a problem, the solution is a better constitution that prevents this k

Didn't democracy just force us all inside for two years? Tyranny of the majority is always a problem, the solution is a better constitution that prevents this kind of problem. Plus getting personally informed. If fire retardant is your concern, you can probably source things that don't have it if it's important enough to you.

everdrive 3y ago
No, you can’t. It’s contaminated ground water, the food supply, and many other things. There is no way to reliable avoid it by personal choice.
fnimick 3y ago
Ah, a libertarian. Would you support everyone having to test every food product they buy in order to make sure they aren't getting exposed? Regulation would be tyranny after all. (and no, I had no problem with being "forced" inside to stop people from dying - if you did, you might want to look in the mirror and consider your moral framework)
- bell-cot 3y ago
  > ...everyone having to test every food product they buy... On the one hand - that would only push the problem one turtle down, to "who is testing the food testing supplies & equipment?". OTOH - since the libertarians have a "zero out of N and counting" record of ever creating even a micro-scale functioning libertarian society...is it worth the electrons to bother refuting libertarian arguments?
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ryantgtg 3y ago
It be more accurate to say that democracy forced you _not_ to go inside. I spent a lot of time outside, but some shops were closed or you had to gasp wear a mask in them.
- zer8k 3y ago
  I think the "forced inside thing" is false. I am not particularly religious but I take issue with the government telling congregations they cannot practice their faith, even outdoors, and in the same breath tell people protesting is a-ok and totally your right. What we have isn't a democracy. It's a gerontocracy that saw political gain in putting hundreds of thousands at risk while simultaneously sticking it to the religious (possibly) right. For whatever reason, mentioning this turns things inflammatory when it's the reality of the situation. You could protest shoulder to shoulder with or without a mask but congregating for church was made temporarily illegal. What kind of logic is that?
  - Shaanie 3y ago
    Weren't all gatherings banned, but due to different legal rights for protests they weren't? Framing it as an attack against religion is incredibly misleading in that case.
    - zer8k 3y ago
      Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are held in the same esteem constitutionally. There's no different legal rights. Practicing a religion is a form of speech. The same form of speech protesters were using. It was entirely political. By and large the protesters agreed with the dominant political party, and people practicing religion generally didn't. There was no constitutional basis for their restriction. Unfortunately, a case like this has to be resolved at the higher courts and we know that those work on geologic time.
  - bell-cot 3y ago
    When it comes to huge government bureaucracies, Hanlon's Razor is double plus plus applicable. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor )

everdrive 3y ago

No, you can’t. It’s contaminated ground water, the food supply, and many other things. There is no way to reliable avoid it by personal choice.

fnimick 3y ago

Ah, a libertarian. Would you support everyone having to test every food product they buy in order to make sure they aren't getting exposed? Regulation would be tyranny after all. (and no, I had no problem with being "forced" inside to stop people from dying - if you did, you might want to look in the mirror and consider your moral framework)

bell-cot 3y ago
> ...everyone having to test every food product they buy... On the one hand - that would only push the problem one turtle down, to "who is testing the food testing supplies & equipment?". OTOH - since the libertarians have a "zero out of N and counting" record of ever creating even a micro-scale functioning libertarian society...is it worth the electrons to bother refuting libertarian arguments?

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ryantgtg 3y ago

It be more accurate to say that democracy forced you _not_ to go inside. I spent a lot of time outside, but some shops were closed or you had to gasp wear a mask in them.

zer8k 3y ago
I think the "forced inside thing" is false. I am not particularly religious but I take issue with the government telling congregations they cannot practice their faith, even outdoors, and in the same breath tell people protesting is a-ok and totally your right. What we have isn't a democracy. It's a gerontocracy that saw political gain in putting hundreds of thousands at risk while simultaneously sticking it to the religious (possibly) right. For whatever reason, mentioning this turns things inflammatory when it's the reality of the situation. You could protest shoulder to shoulder with or without a mask but congregating for church was made temporarily illegal. What kind of logic is that?
- Shaanie 3y ago
  Weren't all gatherings banned, but due to different legal rights for protests they weren't? Framing it as an attack against religion is incredibly misleading in that case.
  - zer8k 3y ago
    Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are held in the same esteem constitutionally. There's no different legal rights. Practicing a religion is a form of speech. The same form of speech protesters were using. It was entirely political. By and large the protesters agreed with the dominant political party, and people practicing religion generally didn't. There was no constitutional basis for their restriction. Unfortunately, a case like this has to be resolved at the higher courts and we know that those work on geologic time.
- bell-cot 3y ago
  When it comes to huge government bureaucracies, Hanlon's Razor is double plus plus applicable. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor )