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This is a scam by the UK government, they don't care about child abuse, they are going to look into all sorts of communications to leverage people. If they care

This is a scam by the UK government, they don't care about child abuse, they are going to look into all sorts of communications to leverage people. If they cared about child abuse they would have shut down the open child prostitution rings running rampant. They openly let it continue because they are afraid of being branded racist since the gangs running them are minorities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sexual_exploit...

actionfromafar 3y ago
The Wikipedia article doesn’t exactly support your claim.
- wonderwonder 3y ago
  Fair enough, how about this one https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/1-000-children-groomed-but-unease-about-race-meant-telford-sexual-exploitation-ignored-inquiry-finds-12650725 https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/1-000-ch...,
  - actionfromafar 3y ago
    I agree with your broader message, UK really wants to dragnet data.
  - JKCalhoun 3y ago
    The article seems to implicate the West Mercia Police. You extend that to the entire UK government.
- jimbob45 3y ago
  The police didn't investigate child sex crimes because the perpetrators were non-white and the police didn't want to be seen as racist. What about that is incorrect?
  - TheBigSalad 3y ago
    The implication that this local police force is the same "UK Government" pushing for encryption standards.
93po 3y ago
I think it's pretty ridiculous to think there aren't white people dealing in organized sexual abuse of children
- wonderwonder 3y ago
  Who said there wasn't? I'm not saying only minorities do this, far from. I'm saying the police openly ignored it because they were minorities in this case. This is not some sort of accusation that only minorities abuse kids, only that the government that wants your data to protect kids is questionable at best in this area.
  - 93po 3y ago
    "the gangs running them are minorities" pretty strongly implies it's only minorities doing this
    - generalizations 3y ago
      It’s a reference to a specific news incident a few years ago. A gang, composed of minorities, was explicitly ignored by the police because the police were afraid of being seen as racist for cracking down on them.
    - stronglikedan 3y ago
      It certainly doesn't imply that, strongly or other. It's referencing a specific trend, but not negating other possibilities at all. Context is important.
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throwawayadvsec 3y ago
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- wonderwonder 3y ago
  What? The police openly admitted after an investigation that this is the reason they let it continue for generations. I'm framing this in reference to the UK government claiming they need the information to prevent child trafficking while their track record indicates that even with data they ignored it for decades. Please save the hysteria and wild accusations for Twitter https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/1-000-children-groomed-but-unease-about-race-meant-telford-sexual-exploitation-ignored-inquiry-finds-12650725 https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/1-000-ch...
  - nxx788 3y ago
    Are there sources other then the police, who failed to act and have a vested interest in finding excuses? Because "the dog ate my homework" I mean "no, cause I didn't want to be racist" stretches credulity.
    - wonderwonder 3y ago
      It was an independent investigation not performed by the police department. The link is in the article in my prior post. Direct link is below: https://www.iitcse.com/ https://www.iitcse.com/
    - vorpalhex 3y ago
      The parent didn't exactly choose the perpetrators did he? https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/newcastle-grooming-scandal-exploitation-victims-sarah-champion-race-a7890106.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/newcastle-grooming-scan...
hot_gril 3y ago
"Think of the children" is always the reason rights (good or bad) get taken away.
- Given_47 3y ago
  The ultimate trump card
- throw0101b 3y ago
  For several decades now: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...
- 1letterunixname 3y ago
  "We must scan all of your personal devices and personal moments for illegal terrorist, cannibal, pedophile, and unapproved political content to safeguard our children against this vague, unrelenting menace. If we happen to stumble upon other content that could be automatically construed by AI to be criminal evidence, we will refer it to the proper prosecution service automatically. The net result is society will be safe. If you committed no crime, then you have nothing to fear. If you disagree with this, then a crime can always be located." - How I imagine this being pitched
- hot_gril 3y ago
  Ok, I take it back because I found at least one counterexample, the Patriot Act didn't use children as an excuse.

actionfromafar 3y ago

The Wikipedia article doesn’t exactly support your claim.

wonderwonder 3y ago
Fair enough, how about this one https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/1-000-children-groomed-but-unease-about-race-meant-telford-sexual-exploitation-ignored-inquiry-finds-12650725 https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/1-000-ch...,
- actionfromafar 3y ago
  I agree with your broader message, UK really wants to dragnet data.
- JKCalhoun 3y ago
  The article seems to implicate the West Mercia Police. You extend that to the entire UK government.
jimbob45 3y ago
The police didn't investigate child sex crimes because the perpetrators were non-white and the police didn't want to be seen as racist. What about that is incorrect?
- TheBigSalad 3y ago
  The implication that this local police force is the same "UK Government" pushing for encryption standards.

93po 3y ago

I think it's pretty ridiculous to think there aren't white people dealing in organized sexual abuse of children

wonderwonder 3y ago
Who said there wasn't? I'm not saying only minorities do this, far from. I'm saying the police openly ignored it because they were minorities in this case. This is not some sort of accusation that only minorities abuse kids, only that the government that wants your data to protect kids is questionable at best in this area.
- 93po 3y ago
  "the gangs running them are minorities" pretty strongly implies it's only minorities doing this
  - generalizations 3y ago
    It’s a reference to a specific news incident a few years ago. A gang, composed of minorities, was explicitly ignored by the police because the police were afraid of being seen as racist for cracking down on them.
  - stronglikedan 3y ago
    It certainly doesn't imply that, strongly or other. It's referencing a specific trend, but not negating other possibilities at all. Context is important.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]

throwawayadvsec 3y ago

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wonderwonder 3y ago
What? The police openly admitted after an investigation that this is the reason they let it continue for generations. I'm framing this in reference to the UK government claiming they need the information to prevent child trafficking while their track record indicates that even with data they ignored it for decades. Please save the hysteria and wild accusations for Twitter https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/1-000-children-groomed-but-unease-about-race-meant-telford-sexual-exploitation-ignored-inquiry-finds-12650725 https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/1-000-ch...
- nxx788 3y ago
  Are there sources other then the police, who failed to act and have a vested interest in finding excuses? Because "the dog ate my homework" I mean "no, cause I didn't want to be racist" stretches credulity.
  - wonderwonder 3y ago
    It was an independent investigation not performed by the police department. The link is in the article in my prior post. Direct link is below: https://www.iitcse.com/ https://www.iitcse.com/
  - vorpalhex 3y ago
    The parent didn't exactly choose the perpetrators did he? https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/newcastle-grooming-scandal-exploitation-victims-sarah-champion-race-a7890106.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/newcastle-grooming-scan...

hot_gril 3y ago

"Think of the children" is always the reason rights (good or bad) get taken away.

Given_47 3y ago
The ultimate trump card
throw0101b 3y ago
For several decades now: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...
1letterunixname 3y ago
"We must scan all of your personal devices and personal moments for illegal terrorist, cannibal, pedophile, and unapproved political content to safeguard our children against this vague, unrelenting menace. If we happen to stumble upon other content that could be automatically construed by AI to be criminal evidence, we will refer it to the proper prosecution service automatically. The net result is society will be safe. If you committed no crime, then you have nothing to fear. If you disagree with this, then a crime can always be located." - How I imagine this being pitched
hot_gril 3y ago
Ok, I take it back because I found at least one counterexample, the Patriot Act didn't use children as an excuse.