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Here is one of many articles covering RFK's antivaccine conspiracy stance: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-

Here is one of many articles covering RFK's antivaccine conspiracy stance: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kenn... I use that phrase because it is an accurate descriptor. He has literally published articles claiming a grand conspiracy to poison Americans, rejecting all data from repeated vaccine trials and studies by the international scientific community. Vaccine trials use the real vaccine that would go to consumers, all of it. There is robust study of the whole package, not just the component that interacts with the immune system. RFK is a bogus baseless conspiracy theorist, regardless of his current PR campaign.

LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
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- enragedcacti 3y ago
  "When Joe Biden agrees with the broad medical consensus you all cheer but when RFK Jr. disagrees with the broad medical consensus you all boo, how curious."
  - jonhohle 3y ago
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    - theossuary 3y ago
      For other, less brain-wormed people, being trans is not considered a mental illness. Maybe it was in the past, similarly to how being gay used to be considered a mental illness; but it definitely isn't today. Gender dysphoria, is a mental health condition, like depression, but it is treatable through transition.
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        enragedcacti 3y ago
        > If you truly believe that this is the supported medical intervention, then you should be able to find a clear explanation of this - including the adults who are giving the child these restrictions and this gendered-soul vocabulary - and the surgical interventions it requires. A doctor and their clinic should have this on their webpage and they should be proud of the work they do. Believe it or not this information is extremely easy to find and the standards of care used by a huge number of practitioners (WPATH) are free to download and peruse at your leisure: https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc As just one example, the Boston children's hospital has their Guidelines and Standards of Care listed in multiple places on their website. This of course did not help them avoid the avalanche of bomb threats they received from individuals who were presumably very concerned and willing to listen. https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/gender-services/physician-resources https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/gender-services/p... https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-surgery-program https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-sur...
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- chowchowchow 3y ago
  Wow dude. Way to bring that way out of left field into a discussion about vaccines. Preoccupied much?
  - FeteCommuniste 3y ago
    It’s the current hobbyhorse of a certain part of the political spectrum, brought up with a frequency out of all proportion to the number of people actually affected by it. That’s the culture war for ya.
    - chowchowchow 3y ago
      Yes a certain set of people do seem to be obsessed. And when you point that out their response is “no you’re obsessed!” No hints of irony or self awareness detected.
    - bodnnil 3y ago
      Most of the actual reasoned criticism comes from left-wing feminist women. Right-wing conservatives have only jumped on this topic since fairly recently, and tend to look at this from a different angle. Looking through his comments, the previous commenter seems to be discussing this from a more feminist, gender-critical perspective, rather than taking a conservative viewpoint.
  - bavell 3y ago
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  - LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
    Wow dude, Way to deflect political criticism in a thread about presidential candidates. Partisan much? This is simply your side's baggage. So many stupid decrees. Both sides are nuts, but the dems aren't even trying to justify what they say - it's a purity test to believe the right things without needing an explanation. It wouldn't be a useful shibboleth if it was something everyone else would say anyways. Nobody explained how Fauci could know if the Wuhan lab leaked or not and even asking for details was called white supremacist. There's no rush to investigate Wuhan, or trans medicine, because they want to scream at you for not believing entirely - not to discuss the subtleties of real-world situations.
bostonsre 3y ago
His thoughts have lots of traction, I think he needs to be engaged and not dismissed as a joke. There is a lot of distrust on the right in how covid played out. We are all on the same team here and everyone would be better off if we all realized it. The other side is not evil, they are trying to do what they think is best for everyone.
- theossuary 3y ago
  Most evil people had good intentions.
  - veidr 3y ago
    Not sure that's true, but I'm sure that people with good intentions who are very stupid do often cause unintended harm. (Here by "stupid" I mostly mean "unable to perceive the world accurately, relative to other people with the same resources at their disposal, and unable to differentiate objective reality from false ideas that make them feel good in some way".)

LawTalkingGuy 3y ago

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enragedcacti 3y ago
"When Joe Biden agrees with the broad medical consensus you all cheer but when RFK Jr. disagrees with the broad medical consensus you all boo, how curious."
- jonhohle 3y ago
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  - theossuary 3y ago
    For other, less brain-wormed people, being trans is not considered a mental illness. Maybe it was in the past, similarly to how being gay used to be considered a mental illness; but it definitely isn't today. Gender dysphoria, is a mental health condition, like depression, but it is treatable through transition.
    - LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
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      - enragedcacti 3y ago
        > If you truly believe that this is the supported medical intervention, then you should be able to find a clear explanation of this - including the adults who are giving the child these restrictions and this gendered-soul vocabulary - and the surgical interventions it requires. A doctor and their clinic should have this on their webpage and they should be proud of the work they do. Believe it or not this information is extremely easy to find and the standards of care used by a huge number of practitioners (WPATH) are free to download and peruse at your leisure: https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc As just one example, the Boston children's hospital has their Guidelines and Standards of Care listed in multiple places on their website. This of course did not help them avoid the avalanche of bomb threats they received from individuals who were presumably very concerned and willing to listen. https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/gender-services/physician-resources https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/gender-services/p... https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-surgery-program https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-sur...
        jonhohle 3y ago
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chowchowchow 3y ago
Wow dude. Way to bring that way out of left field into a discussion about vaccines. Preoccupied much?
- FeteCommuniste 3y ago
  It’s the current hobbyhorse of a certain part of the political spectrum, brought up with a frequency out of all proportion to the number of people actually affected by it. That’s the culture war for ya.
  - chowchowchow 3y ago
    Yes a certain set of people do seem to be obsessed. And when you point that out their response is “no you’re obsessed!” No hints of irony or self awareness detected.
  - bodnnil 3y ago
    Most of the actual reasoned criticism comes from left-wing feminist women. Right-wing conservatives have only jumped on this topic since fairly recently, and tend to look at this from a different angle. Looking through his comments, the previous commenter seems to be discussing this from a more feminist, gender-critical perspective, rather than taking a conservative viewpoint.
- bavell 3y ago
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- LawTalkingGuy 3y ago
  Wow dude, Way to deflect political criticism in a thread about presidential candidates. Partisan much? This is simply your side's baggage. So many stupid decrees. Both sides are nuts, but the dems aren't even trying to justify what they say - it's a purity test to believe the right things without needing an explanation. It wouldn't be a useful shibboleth if it was something everyone else would say anyways. Nobody explained how Fauci could know if the Wuhan lab leaked or not and even asking for details was called white supremacist. There's no rush to investigate Wuhan, or trans medicine, because they want to scream at you for not believing entirely - not to discuss the subtleties of real-world situations.

bostonsre 3y ago

His thoughts have lots of traction, I think he needs to be engaged and not dismissed as a joke. There is a lot of distrust on the right in how covid played out. We are all on the same team here and everyone would be better off if we all realized it. The other side is not evil, they are trying to do what they think is best for everyone.

theossuary 3y ago
Most evil people had good intentions.
- veidr 3y ago
  Not sure that's true, but I'm sure that people with good intentions who are very stupid do often cause unintended harm. (Here by "stupid" I mostly mean "unable to perceive the world accurately, relative to other people with the same resources at their disposal, and unable to differentiate objective reality from false ideas that make them feel good in some way".)