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Why does this smell like a cult? Talking about trust and having illusive pictures and designs.. And why do I need to login for an offline app? Where does the d

Why does this smell like a cult? Talking about trust and having illusive pictures and designs.. And why do I need to login for an offline app? Where does the data really go? There is some setting remote storage, and some mb already used, so is in reallity an online-app with some offline-mirroring? But it seems there is not a choice to set the local storage-path, and the saved files are just your usual electron-blob-files. Seems there is no way to really access or control my files externally. This doesn't give much impression to be trustable.

jordiburgos 3y ago
I think the same. I was trying to find the "How to install the server" but here is no option. It just saves the data in their servers. There is too many wording about security and control, but only in their control.
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- pronkin 3y ago
  Here is the link with the instructions https://tech.anytype.io/how-to/self-hosting https://tech.anytype.io/how-to/self-hosting
  - taink 3y ago
    That's useless if the client also sends the same data to Any's node. You can't disable that for now: Self-hosting only without a backup node is currently unavailable The self-hosting-only feature is not released yet. If you don’t want to use Anytype node and instead use p2p sync between your devices, you can block Anytype network traffic (Anytype & Anytype Helper) via your firewall. From https://doc.anytype.io/d/data-and-security/data-storage-and-deletion https://doc.anytype.io/d/data-and-security/data-storage-and-...
    - pronkin 3y ago
      The idea that you can compile apps with your network configuration, so it's not easy, but it works.
    - fuksman 3y ago
      Thank you for the heads-up, we released the self-hosting ability yesterday and didn't update the docs. Now it's been updated; self-hosting is available: https://tech.anytype.io/how-to/self-hosting https://tech.anytype.io/how-to/self-hosting
      - neodymiumphish 3y ago
        Been following/trying Anytype since early Alpha. Congrats on this big shift. My biggest concern was that there was never really enough to promote/allow self-hosting up to this point. Excited to see where things go from here!!!
      - mikae1 3y ago
        Thanks! A Docker image is sorely missed.
taminka 3y ago
> Talking about trust and having illusive pictures and designs.. it's one of the key features of the app that most other alternatives lack, it would be weird for them not to mention this > And why do I need to login for an offline app? it's not offline only, it can sync to your other devices over the internet > Where does the data really go? There is some setting remote storage, and some mb already used, so is in reallity an online-app with some offline-mirroring? it's stays on your devices, unless you pay for dedicated backups of your data > and the saved files are just your usual electron-blob-files. Seems there is no way to really access or control my files externally. your data is encrypted, which is why you can't just access it via your file manager hope this helps :)
- PurpleRamen 3y ago
  > it's one of the key features of the app that most other alternatives lack, That's their claim, but it doesn't hold up much so far. > it would be weird for them not to mention this There is a difference between mentioning it, and using it as a selling-point. > it's not offline only, it can sync to your other devices over the internet There are many apps who can sync, most of them have it as an option, without a forced login and hidden sync. > your data is encrypted, which is why you can't just access it via your file manager So I can't even access my data and must trust in the app to not screw up, and have a well working export. Which considering it takes Notion and its poor export as inspiration, is not really a good sign > hope this helps :) Yes, thanks.
  - pronkin 3y ago
    >That's their claim, but it doesn't hold up much so far. are there any arguments? >There are many apps who can sync, most of them have it as an option, without a forced login and hidden sync. We don’t have any forced login. It’s just basic keychain that generated on your machine, that only can use, and can use off-line. It’s a way do deal with encryption. Where you see a forced login? >So I can't even access my data and must trust in the app to not screw up, and have a well working export. Which considering it takes Notion and its poor export as inspiration, is not really a good sign we have described our data format, so your data is yours, you can write any adaptor to read/write
taink 3y ago
They seem to have only one "node" so far, because the software is still in alpha? That's what their docs seem to say[1]. All your data primarily syncs to the encrypted backup node in the current alpha. For alpha testers, the application is always connected to the backup node and cannot be disconnected. Their homepage could tell this more clearly. It doesn't look like it's in alpha. [1] https://doc.anytype.io/d/troubleshooting/self-host-your-backups https://doc.anytype.io/d/troubleshooting/self-host-your-back...
- pronkin 3y ago
  We are in open beta now. We have a network of nodes not one node.
  - taink 3y ago
    You should update your docs because this is not what they say. I seem to understand you just started the open beta -- congratulations. You should still mention your product is in beta on your homepage (or at the very least, your download page). EDIT: How can I see which nodes are in the network? There's only one ID on https://networks.any.coop/ https://networks.any.coop/ and I don't know what to do with it.
    - fuksman 3y ago
      Thank you for the heads-up, we will review the relevance of all the docs. Regarding the list of nodes: we don't show it in the interface now, but will add more network information in the coming releases with simplified self-hosting. For now, you can see the list of nodes in the code: https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-heart/blob/release/core/anytype/config/nodes/production.yml https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-heart/blob/release/core/... If you want to dive into the details, information about the underlying protocol and configuration formats can be found there: https://tech.anytype.io https://tech.anytype.io

jordiburgos 3y ago

I think the same. I was trying to find the "How to install the server" but here is no option. It just saves the data in their servers. There is too many wording about security and control, but only in their control.

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pronkin 3y ago
Here is the link with the instructions https://tech.anytype.io/how-to/self-hosting https://tech.anytype.io/how-to/self-hosting
- taink 3y ago
  That's useless if the client also sends the same data to Any's node. You can't disable that for now: Self-hosting only without a backup node is currently unavailable The self-hosting-only feature is not released yet. If you don’t want to use Anytype node and instead use p2p sync between your devices, you can block Anytype network traffic (Anytype & Anytype Helper) via your firewall. From https://doc.anytype.io/d/data-and-security/data-storage-and-deletion https://doc.anytype.io/d/data-and-security/data-storage-and-...
  - pronkin 3y ago
    The idea that you can compile apps with your network configuration, so it's not easy, but it works.
  - fuksman 3y ago
    Thank you for the heads-up, we released the self-hosting ability yesterday and didn't update the docs. Now it's been updated; self-hosting is available: https://tech.anytype.io/how-to/self-hosting https://tech.anytype.io/how-to/self-hosting
    - neodymiumphish 3y ago
      Been following/trying Anytype since early Alpha. Congrats on this big shift. My biggest concern was that there was never really enough to promote/allow self-hosting up to this point. Excited to see where things go from here!!!
    - mikae1 3y ago
      Thanks! A Docker image is sorely missed.

taminka 3y ago

> Talking about trust and having illusive pictures and designs.. it's one of the key features of the app that most other alternatives lack, it would be weird for them not to mention this > And why do I need to login for an offline app? it's not offline only, it can sync to your other devices over the internet > Where does the data really go? There is some setting remote storage, and some mb already used, so is in reallity an online-app with some offline-mirroring? it's stays on your devices, unless you pay for dedicated backups of your data > and the saved files are just your usual electron-blob-files. Seems there is no way to really access or control my files externally. your data is encrypted, which is why you can't just access it via your file manager hope this helps :)

PurpleRamen 3y ago
> it's one of the key features of the app that most other alternatives lack, That's their claim, but it doesn't hold up much so far. > it would be weird for them not to mention this There is a difference between mentioning it, and using it as a selling-point. > it's not offline only, it can sync to your other devices over the internet There are many apps who can sync, most of them have it as an option, without a forced login and hidden sync. > your data is encrypted, which is why you can't just access it via your file manager So I can't even access my data and must trust in the app to not screw up, and have a well working export. Which considering it takes Notion and its poor export as inspiration, is not really a good sign > hope this helps :) Yes, thanks.
- pronkin 3y ago
  >That's their claim, but it doesn't hold up much so far. are there any arguments? >There are many apps who can sync, most of them have it as an option, without a forced login and hidden sync. We don’t have any forced login. It’s just basic keychain that generated on your machine, that only can use, and can use off-line. It’s a way do deal with encryption. Where you see a forced login? >So I can't even access my data and must trust in the app to not screw up, and have a well working export. Which considering it takes Notion and its poor export as inspiration, is not really a good sign we have described our data format, so your data is yours, you can write any adaptor to read/write

taink 3y ago

They seem to have only one "node" so far, because the software is still in alpha? That's what their docs seem to say[1]. All your data primarily syncs to the encrypted backup node in the current alpha. For alpha testers, the application is always connected to the backup node and cannot be disconnected. Their homepage could tell this more clearly. It doesn't look like it's in alpha. [1] https://doc.anytype.io/d/troubleshooting/self-host-your-backups https://doc.anytype.io/d/troubleshooting/self-host-your-back...

pronkin 3y ago
We are in open beta now. We have a network of nodes not one node.
- taink 3y ago
  You should update your docs because this is not what they say. I seem to understand you just started the open beta -- congratulations. You should still mention your product is in beta on your homepage (or at the very least, your download page). EDIT: How can I see which nodes are in the network? There's only one ID on https://networks.any.coop/ https://networks.any.coop/ and I don't know what to do with it.
  - fuksman 3y ago
    Thank you for the heads-up, we will review the relevance of all the docs. Regarding the list of nodes: we don't show it in the interface now, but will add more network information in the coming releases with simplified self-hosting. For now, you can see the list of nodes in the code: https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-heart/blob/release/core/anytype/config/nodes/production.yml https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-heart/blob/release/core/... If you want to dive into the details, information about the underlying protocol and configuration formats can be found there: https://tech.anytype.io https://tech.anytype.io